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with jean and chris welcome back to the

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powercast as we consider some

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interesting

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stuff this time because we've talked

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over recent years

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as to where

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the young people are

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who are interested in the paranormal

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are they involved are young people

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getting involved and we've found

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somebody who's 16 years of age they call

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him the crypto kid

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and he'll be joining us in just a few

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moments we're going to look at a new

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generation of paranormal researchers and

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i think there's a lot that we can learn

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from them in the meantime i mentioned in

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the last episode the power cast and we

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went into detail on after the power cast

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about mufon

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and how it's supposedly treating

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access to their ufo database

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and the reason i mentioned this is i got

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a copy of something they're sending

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to their

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members whose renewals

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are due soon

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and it says that

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our new website now allows members only

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to log in to view and download the

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e-journals read current ufo news search

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the ufo database or the recent ufo

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reports and it goes on

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that's saying

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correct me if i'm wrong chris that's

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saying that only members can access the

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database is that what it says

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yeah maybe you got something that says

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that but i went to their website you can

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still you can still search it exactly

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that's what they sent out to members

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so i wrote to jan harzan

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and i said

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what's going on here and he said no

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that's not true

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non-members can still access the

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database

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there's the recent 20 reports

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the problem with the database is not

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whether it's member only or not

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and obviously that email to members is

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wrong

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the problem is that it has an interface

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from what what would you say

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visicalc or something 1988

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it's got this ancient it's really it's

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awful it's it's an uh antiquated

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it's very cumbersome you have to know

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what you're looking for in order for it

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to spit out results

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barely more than useless

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and the thing is here is that we're

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talking about a group that's supposed to

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be one of the largest in the world i

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organizations like in japan or china

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probably a lot larger but they claim to

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be the largest

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and they can't afford a decent database

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even worse chris

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apparently the server cannot handle

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a request of more than 50 records or 50

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sightings that's all you can get it's

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not like you get 15 you click load more

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no such thing

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50 is the limit whatever you request as

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50 items and i asked jan why and he says

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load on the server now i did a little

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checking and he confirmed that they are

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running a dedicated server which means

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they have the entire server for mufon

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just as we have an entire server for the

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power cast and tech night now live of

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course chris is our strange planet.com

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we have the entire server they do but

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the problem is here is they

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database system that is ancient it is

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slow it is cumbersome

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and he claims they're working on

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something new so let's see what happens

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i don't know what sometimes when you

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hear things like we're building a new

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site and we're doing this

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it never happens fast enough especially

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when it comes to web design web design

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doesn't get done on time we found

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somebody one time to redo

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always took longer than you expect and

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that's a pretty simple site right

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yeah it's a wordpress site i wish i had

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a little bit more knowledge and um on

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there's a lot of things i'd like to do

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lack of time i might add

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it does take a lot longer well the thing

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i'll do some work with it you know right

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now what we did do

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which our listeners may not know or care

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about is he moved all our sites to ssl

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so he's now more protected but there

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might be things i could do in terms of

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give me a list of categories chris and

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give me some other things about what you

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need and i'll find a way to make it

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there's a bunch of really cool articles

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on there now and i'm going to try to

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an article a week or possibly an article

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every two weeks now and flesh it out um

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there's a lot of good stuff on there and

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progress

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definitely looking at the site he's been

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working like a busy bee here in fact

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there is something you just put up and

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we'll can we get into it more on after

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the power cast this week the norad event

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and the gallup incident was there a

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connection

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amazing amazing

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same day case 11 years apart

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exact descriptions it's just phenomenal

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people you know the weird phone calls to

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sheriffs from norad space command it's

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an amazing dark horse event one of the

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most important i think ufo logical

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hardly anybody's ever heard of it

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is there somebody we can get on the show

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to talk about this with expertise

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yeah but something like that this is a

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but he's going to work on it and as i

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done to make it better right now it is a

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keep all the security up to date as

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possible so it's our

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look there you can buy all those books

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my name is colin schneider i'm a 16 year

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old cryptozoologist from ohio i've been

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it's not gonna be like us okay

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you know we lived in another time in

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in another reality literally

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there it goes a reminder again check out

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for the powercast plus and after the

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so on the power cast this week with gene

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and chris we welcome

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the next generation release someone at

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least three generations

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newer than me

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that's colin schneider 16 years of age

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and he calls himself the crypto kid

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welcome to the power cast

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where's that name come from

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the crypto kid well i have a friend of

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mine

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ronald murphy he's a researcher

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who does a lot of cryptozoology

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predominantly looking at the archetypes

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of cryptozoology and

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he promotes himself as the crypto guru

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and we're working on a book together so

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i've just started calling myself the

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crypto kid

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and when it came time when i got

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contacted to do a podcast which i've

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been doing now for several weeks

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they asked me if i had any ideas for a

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name for the podcast and i just thought

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cryptokid would be perfect

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it's kind of the the name that i've been

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using for a while now

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okay so it's one of these

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spontaneous

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inventions

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yeah i just thought it sounded like a

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cool superhero name

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well you have kyah that peter parker

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voice

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i'm thinking here

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the voice of toby maguire

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when he played

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spider-man

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yeah well i grew up watching all those

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movies uh

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spider-man was

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character that i knew and could

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recognize like just off the nose so

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yeah i've seen all the movies many times

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so i take that as a compliment thank you

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well in the next spider-man movie they

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bring them back to being a high school

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kid again

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and they kind of

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re-invigorate the franchise i think tom

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holland is the name of the new

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spider-man he's a guy about 20 or so and

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he plays like a 16 or 17 year old but

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let's not get into that let's go back to

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you you've been chasing this stuff now

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for how many years

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i mean i've always been interested in it

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i mean i started off as a little kid

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watching monster quest was one of my

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favorite shows and i

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it really captured me because i kind of

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thought wow they're treating these these

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monsters as if they were animals and and

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the idea that they might actually exist

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that idea really captured me as you know

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an eight-year-old so

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i i'd always been interested in it but i

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really really got interested like

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wanting to be a researcher

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when i was 13

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and i went to maine with my family

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and

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we visited the international

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cryptozoology museum and i got to meet

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lauren coleman who was kind of like my

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my hero

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as a kid so i remember walking out of

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the museum after

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i i spent all of my money

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vacation hadn't even really started

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and

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i remember walking out

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a handful of books and thinking

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yeah i want to be a monster hunter for

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the rest of my life

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and so

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right after the vacation i kind of

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started thinking

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i don't have to be an adult to

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you know do this i can do this as a kid

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so i just started collecting as many

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books as i can

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just reading as much as i can and last

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year i started really feeling that i

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knew enough to really start like writing

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and doing like active research

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so

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i i started

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compiling these lists of just creatures

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and

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me to join various crypto groups i have

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a huge range of contacts now i've been

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published numerous times it all kind of

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exploded

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pretty quickly

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have you read the books from chris

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o'brien

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no uh his cattle mutilation one is

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especially interesting to me and it's

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been on my list for a long time

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but

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unfortunately being a teenager i don't

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always have

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a good

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stimulation of income

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so i haven't been able to uh get a lot

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of the books on my list but it's

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definitely on there i was well do you

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have a kindle or can you read a knee

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version i'll send it to you

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oh yeah i'd appreciate that that'd be

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awesome thank you absolutely absolutely

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that's the least i can do

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um i'll send you i'll feed them as soon

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as you're done with one i'll send you

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another one and we'll just keep it going

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there's not as much crypto

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cases and reports in my books as maybe

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can or or lyle or or um david weatherly

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or or of course lauren but um there's

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enough in there to keep you

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more than fascinated i'm sure

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ufos and everything

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ufos especially ghosts other mysteries

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they they all still interest me but it's

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definitely the animal aspect of the

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weird that has captured me for

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so long okay well it sounds like you

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come down on the uh the flesh and blood

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sort of um you know three-dimensional

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reality um side of the equation as

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opposed to something floridian or or

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paranormal um so you think that uh for

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instance bigfoot is a flesh and blood

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undiscovered hominid that's uh hiding

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from us out in the in the forest correct

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well bigfoot specifically i'm not sure

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because

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my mentor uh

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is uh stan gordon

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um

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and

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you know that he's done extensive

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research and has some excellent

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fascinating data on bigfoot and ufos how

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they may be connected so i i'm not sure

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what i really focus on is uh the

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folklore right now because i am not

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really able

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to go out into the field all the time

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it's not just a feasible thing uh at my

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age right now

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right so a lot well you got you got

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school and other things to deal with so

544
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exactly so a lot of the

545
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so a lot of the research i do is sitting

546
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in my room with a pile of dusty books

547
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scanning through them for some weird

548
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account or something

549
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so

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i'm

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the folklore and in the folklore there's

552
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a lot there's a ton of weird stuff

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i mean native americans especially in

554
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the pacific northwest looked at bigfoot

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as a protector a guardian of the forest

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or

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in other places you have um skinwalker

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creatures that have been associated with

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cryptozoology lately

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and so there's a lot of

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weird and paranormal aspects to these

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creatures and even though i do

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wholeheartedly believe that most of them

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are creatures

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if they do exist

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i do think that the folklore doesn't

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give get enough attention because it

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does give us this interesting aspect of

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the creatures as to

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how they were looked at before you

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really got this big field

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researching them

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the folklore gives us this look into the

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past

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um when it concerns these creatures so

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it i think it's definitely important and

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i think it's something that doesn't get

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enough attention

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and

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concerning

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just the am i in the flesh and blood

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camp or am i in the the paranormal

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whatever camp

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i try to avoid opinions

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because that that really kind of tilts

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what i'm looking at one way or the other

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so for them also tilts the way people

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look at you as well

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exactly so what i try to do is i try to

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keep a balanced open look

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into whatever i'm researching

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but i do

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know

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any any of the ideas that people have

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example i recently

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wrote an article discussing

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the possibility that some dogman

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even though i keep away from

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theories and ideas i do explore them i

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someone with a young perspective about

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what's going on

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let me just ask you a quick question

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here

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some people have this kind of unified

739
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field theory of ufos and

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cryptozoology and ghosts and stuff do

741
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you think among all the things you're

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looking for here there might be a

743
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connection with ufos and other phenomena

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well i think it's certainly a

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possibility i mean

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when i really started getting into the

747
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field going in to the conferences and

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whatever literally the first person i

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met other than lauren coleman at the

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museum of course the first person i met

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was stan gordon and since then he's

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really taken me under his wing and

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showed me how to do proper research and

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how to write examinations of the

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evidence and whatever so

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although i try to keep balanced i have

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definitely been influenced by the the

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unified

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field theory

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but i also think that

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the the separation is also a valid idea

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i i

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i try to avoid

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making any opinions but it's definitely

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something that i look at and think is

766
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perfectly valid and definitely should be

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examined by a lot more people than it is

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what about theories like

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crypto

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creatures coming from another dimension

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or reality

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well i wrote an article um a few months

773
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back about

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the idea that fairy lore has some

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connection to cryptids as a whole

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so fairies of course are definitely

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interdimensional beings like that's the

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idea of them

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so i i've researched it pretty

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extensively

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the conclusion i've come to is

782
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the folklore definitely supports it a

783
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lot of what you see

784
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with fairy folklore

785
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supports the idea that they're intimate

786
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interdimensional and the fact that they

787
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have so many connections

788
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to cryptids

789
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kind of leans to that idea

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but

791
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i think it's definitely valid and i

792
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think it i've looked into it i think

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others should

794
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now concerning the the fairy idea

795
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for example bigfoot

796
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in the 20s and 30s especially there were

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a lot of reports of people being

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abducted by a bigfoot type

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creature and one of the things they said

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was that they felt that it was abducting

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them because it intended to mate with

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them

803
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now if you go over to ireland or norway

804
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and look at the fairy lore one of the

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reasons

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that fairies abducted people because

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that was one of the main things they

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they were known to do even today some

809
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people believe that fairies steal

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children out of uh

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out of their cribs

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and one of the main reasons in those

813
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areas that it was believed that fairies

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took people was because their race was

815
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dying out and they needed to

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interbreed with humans to continue

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to have a a stable

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population

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another example is the loch ness monster

820
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is from scotland and one of scotland's

821
00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,840
biggest and best known fairies is called

822
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the kelpie and

823
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the kelpie is this dark-colored

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shape-shifting creature

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that lives on the side of roads

826
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and

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it doesn't live it's kind of hangs out

828
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on the side of the roads and when

829
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:30,080
travelers pass tries to entice them into

830
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the lock below and if it does it eats

831
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:36,240
them and one of the main forms that the

832
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:39,440
kelpie takes is a horse because if

833
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you're a traveler in the middle of the

834
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,640
night and you're walking on your own two

835
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,799
feet if you see a horse just standing

836
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there you're going to try to

837
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grab it because

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obviously you're going to want to get

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there faster and it is the middle of the

840
00:31:56,230 --> 00:31:54,320
night so you don't want to keep walking

841
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,240
in the middle of the night

842
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:58,000
so

843
00:32:02,310 --> 00:31:59,519
if you look at the loch ness monster

844
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,320
specifically one of the main

845
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:04,080
descriptions of the creature is that

846
00:32:07,029 --> 00:32:05,679
it's

847
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:07,039
horse-like

848
00:32:09,990 --> 00:32:08,880
not just the loch ness monster

849
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,000
either

850
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,399
you look at bernard hooverman's who is

851
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:14,000
the father of cryptozoology if you look

852
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:15,679
at his categories

853
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,159
of sea serpents

854
00:32:23,909 --> 00:32:21,039
the water horse as he termed it was one

855
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:23,919
of the main categories and in his book

856
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,559
in the wake of sea serpents

857
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:28,559
he had

858
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,640
the water horse had the second highest

859
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:32,880
number of sightings that he examined so

860
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:35,039
there's definitely this idea of a

861
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:37,120
horse-like creature

862
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:38,960
that that's aquatic

863
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:42,960
that's been ingrained into our minds so

864
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:45,039
whether it is an interdimensional fairy

865
00:32:47,669 --> 00:32:46,399
or just a

866
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,679
a

867
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:49,919
weird looking

868
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,120
water creature i'm not sure because

869
00:32:57,669 --> 00:32:55,120
we haven't found it and we haven't found

870
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,679
enough evidence to support either or but

871
00:33:01,750 --> 00:32:59,440
both are valid options and both are

872
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:01,760
valid ideas that when you're looking

873
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,559
into a field that is so weird and so

874
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,480
ingrained with

875
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:08,480
a variety of

876
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,519
honestly impossible possibilities you

877
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,360
really do have to keep your mind open to

878
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:15,360
look at everything not just shut it and

879
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:17,440
look at just one thing you want to grab

880
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:18,799
that one gene did you want all right i

881
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:20,399
just want to take it to a little bit of

882
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,240
another step here

883
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:24,880
okay do you think and this is another

884
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:27,440
issue that when we see these creatures

885
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,559
we're seeing the creatures as they are

886
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:33,039
as we expect them to be in accordance

887
00:33:36,549 --> 00:33:34,799
with our cultural conditioning it's kind

888
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:36,559
of a deep question what's your

889
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,760
perception

890
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:39,840
i'm not sure because as a

891
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,480
cryptozoologist i inherently want to

892
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:44,399
believe that these creatures that people

893
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,399
are seeing are living animals that are

894
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,480
just waiting to be discovered

895
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:50,640
so in that way they're definitely what

896
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,640
they look like but

897
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,559
if these things really are

898
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:56,320
interdimensional

899
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,760
then it is plausible that they are seen

900
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:01,600
as

901
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:04,320
reality our reality requires it if you

902
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:06,240
will i'm going to use a comic book

903
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,919
analogy

904
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:09,440
so

905
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,720
marvel comics really big right now they

906
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:14,560
one of their biggest villains his name

907
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:17,440
is galactus and he's just this giant

908
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,960
cosmic being that eats worlds

909
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:22,720
and in the comics he's depicted as this

910
00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:25,919
really kind of odd looking humanoid

911
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,200
that's really really really huge and has

912
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:31,599
is garbed in this weird purple

913
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:33,760
space looking outfit with this really

914
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:34,399
big

915
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,320
purple helmet with all these

916
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:38,480
long rods coming out of it and weird

917
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:42,560
angles and whatever he's really strange

918
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,119
but in the comics they say that the only

919
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,040
reason he looks like that is because

920
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:49,839
humans can't comprehend

921
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:52,240
his actual form

922
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,119
so

923
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:54,960
they

924
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:58,560
our minds twisted into that that weird

925
00:35:03,109 --> 00:34:59,680
60s

926
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:03,119
looking comic book character so

927
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,960
that that's an idea that i've brought up

928
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,200
when discussing interdimensional

929
00:35:10,310 --> 00:35:09,440
creatures before in my lectures

930
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:10,320
and

931
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:13,119
i i get a lot of weird looks but i i

932
00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,560
think it's definitely an interesting

933
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:16,560
thing because

934
00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:18,400
when you look at

935
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,839
i'm going to use the loch ness monster

936
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:22,320
again there's a huge variety of

937
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:25,040
descriptions not just the plesiosaur

938
00:35:28,829 --> 00:35:27,599
type creature but you also have giant

939
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:28,839
fish

940
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:33,119
or really really weird looking big frogs

941
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,640
that have been described or as i

942
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:36,720
mentioned before the water horse

943
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:40,079
so there's a variety of descriptions

944
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,119
and

945
00:35:45,510 --> 00:35:43,280
that that could just be

946
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:45,520
misidentifications of known things in a

947
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,920
lake that is infamous for having a

948
00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,200
monster

949
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:51,280
that could just be

950
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,440
a variety of unknown creatures in there

951
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:56,079
although i think that's fairly unlikely

952
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:57,839
or it could be some some

953
00:36:01,589 --> 00:36:00,240
interdimensional being or whatever

954
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,599
that

955
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,839
we just don't know how to comprehend

956
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:05,599
whatever it looks like so our brains

957
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:08,079
fill in the gaps

958
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,200
let me ask you something here we're

959
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,200
going to break in a moment

960
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,760
is it fair as a researcher to prejudge

961
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,599
anything because you're assuming there's

962
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,000
at least an animal component

963
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:20,000
involved in these cryptids

964
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:22,160
that's reaching a conclusion

965
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,800
and wouldn't it be better than to

966
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:26,640
say something's going on let me try to

967
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:29,200
figure out what it is then to decide

968
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:30,880
it's like it's like the argument to

969
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:32,640
differ with you gene

970
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:33,920
i don't think he's doing that i think

971
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:36,480
he's keeping an open mind and and

972
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:38,320
he said like two or three times that

973
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:39,680
he's unwilling

974
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:41,680
to really make a declarative statement

975
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,280
about that i know but he's kind of

976
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,880
looking at that assumption which is why

977
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,800
i questioned it let's discuss this in

978
00:36:59,300 --> 00:36:48,960
more detail in our next segment with

979
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:00,390
[Applause]

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[Music]

1081
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this is jerome clark author of the ufo

1082
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encyclopedia in other books you're

1083
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so chris and i were sort of disagreeing

1084
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about what colin schneider was implying

1085
00:41:35,589 --> 00:41:34,000
here an acceptance of a basic reality

1086
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here although he says he has an open

1087
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mind so clarify that so i understand it

1088
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:39,200
completely

1089
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:41,359
would you accepted all the possibility

1090
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,760
that we're just misidentifying

1091
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:45,280
known animals

1092
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:47,119
or people are seeing things or something

1093
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,400
that there's a very conventional

1094
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:49,920
explanation that doesn't include an

1095
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unknown species or something paranormal

1096
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gene

1097
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:56,400
it's not a one-size-fits-all thing

1098
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,440
it has to go on a case-by-case basis one

1099
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:01,599
person may be confabulating a

1100
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:03,520
misidentified um

1101
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,359
creature and thinking that something

1102
00:42:09,589 --> 00:42:08,000
else somebody else may be delusional and

1103
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:09,599
yet somebody else may be actually

1104
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,079
viewing something that could be 40 in a

1105
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:15,040
paranormal right i want his answer

1106
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,839
well like uh chris said it has to be a

1107
00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:19,680
case-by-case basis you can't just say

1108
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:21,480
bigfoot is

1109
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,319
misidentifications of bears because then

1110
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:26,800
you get all the questions well

1111
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:28,800
this hunter has seen bears before he

1112
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:30,880
knows what bears look like so that

1113
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:32,480
doesn't quite fit

1114
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:34,240
but then you also get this person that

1115
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:35,839
that said that well i saw it in my

1116
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,839
bedroom bears can't get into my bedroom

1117
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:39,599
because i've heard stories of people

1118
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:41,599
encountering bigfoot in their bedrooms

1119
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,800
it's a little weird but

1120
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:46,880
they seemed like they were telling the

1121
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:49,440
truth so i think that definitely it has

1122
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:51,680
to be a case-by-case basis

1123
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,760
and you you have to not just look at

1124
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,960
the

1125
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,800
report itself but you have to look at

1126
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:00,960
the person that was reporting it and the

1127
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:02,800
conditions that it was in

1128
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,440
and what was going on around the area

1129
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,119
and the time it was in

1130
00:43:11,349 --> 00:43:09,200
because a bigfoot sighting from the

1131
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,359
1800s might have

1132
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:13,119
definitely has completely different

1133
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,560
connotations

1134
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:16,079
than

1135
00:43:20,630 --> 00:43:19,040
a bigfoot sighting from just last week

1136
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:20,640
and

1137
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:21,520
so

1138
00:43:27,030 --> 00:43:24,720
you can't just have this this overlying

1139
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:27,040
idea that you just say this is what it

1140
00:43:29,829 --> 00:43:27,839
is

1141
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,839
when you say different connotations

1142
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,680
though can you clarify that

1143
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,520
because of the way we see it or because

1144
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,200
of the sourcing

1145
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:37,119
it it's definitely

1146
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:39,119
the sourcing i mean

1147
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:40,400
you're talking a bigfoot sighting from

1148
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:43,040
just last week you have this huge

1149
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:44,640
bigfoot

1150
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:47,839
image that has been inundated into our

1151
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,560
pop culture and everyone knows it

1152
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,160
even if they only know it from harry and

1153
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:54,079
the hendersons and the uh slim jim

1154
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:56,240
commercials they know what bigfoot looks

1155
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,599
like or at least

1156
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:59,359
should look like according to pop

1157
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,560
culture

1158
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,240
but if you take a sighting from the

1159
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,800
1800s the wild man sightings they

1160
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,240
weren't even called bigfoot they're

1161
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:08,880
called wild men or in the

1162
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:11,040
way later times that they were called

1163
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,880
gorillas

1164
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:15,119
it was a time where most of these people

1165
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:17,280
had never ever seen another primate

1166
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:19,040
besides humans

1167
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:19,920
and

1168
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,119
they're encountering something that is

1169
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:25,839
if you look at the reports generally

1170
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,000
consistent with a lot of modern bigfoot

1171
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,000
reports

1172
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,680
so at least the backgrounds of the

1173
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:34,319
witness and their knowledge of what

1174
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:35,440
a

1175
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:41,359
like is completely different so so

1176
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,720
the the

1177
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:44,800
the influences that that would have on

1178
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:46,480
the siding are

1179
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:49,280
in themselves different but that to me

1180
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,800
would imply that

1181
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:52,480
it could be caused by the same thing we

1182
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,839
just see it differently because of our

1183
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,920
cultural conditioning

1184
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,000
and i don't disagree and that's why you

1185
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,560
need to take that into account

1186
00:45:06,870 --> 00:45:02,880
what you also have to do is look at the

1187
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:06,880
sightings once you determine

1188
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,720
in your opinion if a sighting is

1189
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,240
reliable or not

1190
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,880
and you make sure you explain why the

1191
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,720
sighting is reliable

1192
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:16,880
then you can put it with other sightings

1193
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:18,560
that you have personally individually

1194
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:21,040
determined as reliable

1195
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:24,000
once you do that you can look at them

1196
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:24,720
and

1197
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:27,440
even throughout the whole variety of

1198
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:28,800
times that they may have come from the

1199
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:32,880
1800s even the 1700s into today or the

1200
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:34,880
60s or whatever

1201
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:37,839
at least in my personal experience with

1202
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,319
research i found that the descriptions

1203
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:43,440
are oddly consistent now whether that's

1204
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:46,480
because the why the idea of a wild man

1205
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:47,440
is

1206
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:50,800
in our minds and that's just something

1207
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,160
that we see

1208
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:53,839
on occasion or

1209
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,560
if that's because it's just

1210
00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:58,240
the idea of the wild man

1211
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:01,920
put onto a misidentification of a bear

1212
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:04,160
or whatever you're seeing

1213
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,280
at least in my experience it's oddly

1214
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:09,599
consistent so that leads me to feel that

1215
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,440
there's at least something going on that

1216
00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:13,520
deserves research now i don't i don't

1217
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:16,319
know what it is i'm definitely trying

1218
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,640
not to to put any of my opinions on to

1219
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:22,480
what i'm researching

1220
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:24,880
but i i i at least feel that there's

1221
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:26,640
something going on that deserves

1222
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:27,680
research

1223
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,400
but we we have no idea what it is and

1224
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:32,880
people who who say they do

1225
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,640
haven't quite looked at it

1226
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,240
enough

1227
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,720
now what about family histories now this

1228
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:40,800
is something i

1229
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:44,319
always question with regard to ufo cases

1230
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:46,640
because we have organizations like mufon

1231
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:48,960
that will collect the case report the

1232
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,359
sighting as a separate thing

1233
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:53,520
separate from the family or the

1234
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,319
individual do you look at the

1235
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,640
individuals or families who report this

1236
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,480
phenomena as a

1237
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:02,800
connection with family histories have

1238
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:05,680
they seen things throughout their lives

1239
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:07,839
well when i get a report from a person

1240
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:10,160
that has reported it directly to me i

1241
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,640
definitely make sure that comes up and i

1242
00:47:16,710 --> 00:47:14,720
make sure i discuss that

1243
00:47:19,829 --> 00:47:16,720
um but the difficulty is when you're

1244
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:19,839
looking at historical accounts

1245
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:22,240
you don't you aren't able to

1246
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:24,319
talk to that witness you weren't able to

1247
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,119
ask them that question and although some

1248
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,359
records exist

1249
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:31,599
most of them don't so you're you're

1250
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,599
unable to even really know anything

1251
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:35,599
about

1252
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,720
that person other than say the journal

1253
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:40,079
that they wrote

1254
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:43,440
the encounter in or or or the opinions

1255
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,720
of the person that they described it to

1256
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:48,160
so it

1257
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:49,359
isn't

1258
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,760
terribly easy at least in in the

1259
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:53,920
position i am to look into that but i

1260
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,920
definitely it is something that should

1261
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:57,599
be looked at when you're getting a case

1262
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:58,560
from

1263
00:48:02,069 --> 00:48:00,960
someone that is reporting it directly to

1264
00:48:04,550 --> 00:48:02,079
you or

1265
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,560
that it has been forwarded to you

1266
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:06,880
whatever you if if this person is alive

1267
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,720
and you're able to

1268
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,640
communicate with them and interview them

1269
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:12,000
then that definitely should be something

1270
00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:13,839
that comes up and that should be looked

1271
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:16,560
into yeah that should be part of your

1272
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:18,960
your your list of questions

1273
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:21,680
does your family have a history of uh

1274
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:23,200
encountering things that they can't

1275
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,240
explain

1276
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:26,000
uh for instance and then if they say yes

1277
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,760
or no then you can do your follow-up

1278
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,680
questions there you know before we get

1279
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,440
too far into

1280
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,599
into the subject matter

1281
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:35,440
i'd like to know a little bit more about

1282
00:48:38,549 --> 00:48:37,040
colin here

1283
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,559
what does your family think about this

1284
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,480
what do your parents think about this

1285
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:41,680
i would assume that they're fairly

1286
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,240
supportive of of your interests in these

1287
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,880
areas and your time expenditure what do

1288
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,200
you folks think about this

1289
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,599
my dad is definitely supportive he he

1290
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,480
grudgingly drives me around all around

1291
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:56,640
ohio pennsylvania and even went into

1292
00:49:01,750 --> 00:48:59,359
west virginia well that's cool to go to

1293
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:01,760
all the conferences uh i think i'm

1294
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:04,000
actually scheduled to speak at eight

1295
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:06,160
different conferences this year

1296
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,760
and everywhere from dang i'm jealous

1297
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:11,920
everywhere from uh

1298
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:14,000
mid west virginia to

1299
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,680
the east end of pennsylvania so my dad

1300
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:19,440
definitely is very supportive and

1301
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,760
actually he was the one who gave me my

1302
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,760
first book on bigfoot and the loch ness

1303
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,160
monster that really made me that that

1304
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:28,800
kind of is the reason that i sat and

1305
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:32,400
watched through the entire episode of

1306
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:34,240
uh monster quest the first time i

1307
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,440
watched that

1308
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:37,440
so my dad definitely helps

1309
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:40,480
my grandmother is very proud of me she

1310
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:42,640
every time i get an article published

1311
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:45,760
she grabs it before i even get to see it

1312
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:46,640
and

1313
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:48,880
carts it around to all of our neighbors

1314
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:51,359
and brags and whatnot

1315
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,319
so it it's definitely a it's a

1316
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:56,319
family thing and you know i couldn't

1317
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,920
have done it without

1318
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,760
my family's support

1319
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,960
how about your friends do they think

1320
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,880
it's cool or are they looking at you and

1321
00:50:06,950 --> 00:50:05,119
scratching their heads going oh man we

1322
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:06,960
don't know about this guy

1323
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:09,839
so i attend a uh science technology

1324
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:14,800
engineering and math school it's uh

1325
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:17,920
very it's very academic and very

1326
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:19,119
difficult

1327
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:20,400
and

1328
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,839
so all of my friends are very into

1329
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,520
science very into

1330
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:25,440
you know engineering whatever

1331
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,640
so

1332
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:28,319
when i initially started

1333
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,400
telling them about my interests they

1334
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:32,800
kind of looked at me like i was crazy

1335
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,079
but i've slowly got them convinced that

1336
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:38,720
i'm at least giving i'm at least doing a

1337
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:41,680
balanced examination of whatever they

1338
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,640
they

1339
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:44,319
honestly don't think that bigfoot's

1340
00:50:48,309 --> 00:50:46,319
roaming around somewhere but they do

1341
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:48,319
think that there's enough stuff going on

1342
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:51,200
that they it warrants some examination

1343
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:52,559
so

1344
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,880
they're they're supportive for the most

1345
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:56,160
part i actually have a couple friends

1346
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,760
that listen into my

1347
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,359
show every once in a while because

1348
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,119
they're fantasy geeks and we talk a lot

1349
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:03,119
of folklore so

1350
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:10,230
all right

1351
00:51:13,270 --> 00:51:11,680
um

1352
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:13,280
you know that that brings up a bunch of

1353
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:15,920
questions how much time we have gene

1354
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:17,760
i have 20 seconds chris just say

1355
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:19,760
something fast well

1356
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:21,280
we got to take a break here colin but

1357
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,040
when we come back i want to talk a

1358
00:51:26,790 --> 00:51:25,440
little bit about methodology and some of

1359
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:26,800
the things that we need to think about

1360
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:28,720
when we put ourselves out there in the

1361
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:30,880
field and uh we'll talk about that when

1362
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:32,160
we get back

1363
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:34,960
we have colin schneider the crypto kid

1364
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:36,960
with gene and chris you're in the

1365
00:51:42,410 --> 00:51:50,470
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[Music]

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00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:09,990
welcome back to the paracast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

1418
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and now

1419
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:18,300
here's gene steinberg

1420
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:23,990
gene and chris in the power cast

1421
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:26,480
exploring a new generation

1422
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:29,680
of paranormal researchers featuring

1423
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,119
colin schneider the crypto kid chris

1424
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:35,119
we're starting to get into some of your

1425
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:37,119
own personal experiences going out into

1426
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:38,400
the field and

1427
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,880
investigating reports i'm sure it's your

1428
00:54:44,790 --> 00:54:42,720
your young and tender age you haven't

1429
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:44,800
had a chance to get out there and and do

1430
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:46,960
too many at this point in time uh

1431
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:48,960
compared to someone like myself or stan

1432
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,040
gordon who by the way we just had on the

1433
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:53,920
show here a few shows ago and stan

1434
00:54:59,589 --> 00:54:56,960
is um like you stan uh when i got

1435
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:59,599
involved 25 years ago stan was one of

1436
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:01,520
those people that really i kind of

1437
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:04,079
modeled my approach after and

1438
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,880
have extreme ex i mean just off the

1439
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,559
charts respect for

1440
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:10,559
and um he's been very instrumental in a

1441
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,359
real hero for me as a 60 year old guy

1442
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,599
who got involved in this

1443
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,760
in a late fairly late age compared to

1444
00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:19,280
you compared to

1445
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:21,280
john greenwald let's say back in the mid

1446
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:24,160
90s he was 14 15 when he got involved i

1447
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:25,599
was 35.

1448
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:28,400
so we start to develop as we get more

1449
00:55:32,390 --> 00:55:30,559
familiar with going out into the field

1450
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,400
we start to develop

1451
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:34,640
kind of a methodology sort of a bedside

1452
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,119
manner as i call it looking at your

1453
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,599
experience up to this point what do you

1454
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:41,760
feel are your strengths as an

1455
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,000
investigator being as young as you are

1456
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:46,319
and what are some of the the possible

1457
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,960
downsides um some of the

1458
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:50,480
stumbling blocks the things that get in

1459
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,799
the way you know because of of your your

1460
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:54,079
tender age

1461
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:56,720
of 16. so what are the pluses of being

1462
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,000
that age and what are the minuses of

1463
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,480
being that age going out into the field

1464
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:03,040
in real time well i think the biggest

1465
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:06,559
plus honestly is that i was published at

1466
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:09,440
15 and i have

1467
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:12,559
been published i think 10 times since

1468
00:56:16,230 --> 00:56:13,839
within a year

1469
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:16,240
so i mean that looks really good on a

1470
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,839
sending out to colleges that looks

1471
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:19,760
really good so that's definitely a big

1472
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:22,960
plus but concerning the field

1473
00:56:27,589 --> 00:56:24,559
i think that

1474
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:27,599
one of the biggest pluses is that

1475
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,960
once you

1476
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:30,480
talk to

1477
00:56:33,190 --> 00:56:32,319
researchers once you kind of get this

1478
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:33,200
this

1479
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,960
relationship between

1480
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:37,440
researcher and younger upcoming

1481
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:38,799
researcher

1482
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:41,599
it's this really great friendship almost

1483
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:42,559
and

1484
00:56:48,069 --> 00:56:45,359
i work with people when i when i talk to

1485
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:48,079
just local researchers they're like you

1486
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:50,559
know him like like i'm not trying to

1487
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:51,680
brag but

1488
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:54,400
partially because of my age it's helped

1489
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:55,200
me

1490
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:00,000
or ken gerhard or

1491
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:02,400
stan gordon and really work with them

1492
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:05,200
and and hang out with them and they they

1493
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,079
help me in every way possible and it's

1494
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:10,319
definitely really really neat and i

1495
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:12,960
don't think that it would be as

1496
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:14,799
i don't know i don't think it would be

1497
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:17,920
there as much if i was a middle-aged man

1498
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:20,000
getting into the field

1499
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:20,960
because

1500
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,520
i would already have this like life

1501
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:25,200
experience that would have helped me

1502
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:27,920
with the with research now i think one

1503
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,079
of the biggest downsides is

1504
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,559
definitely when i mention that i'm an

1505
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:34,400
active researcher

1506
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:37,680
in this field i get a lot of

1507
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:40,160
well aren't you too young or they they

1508
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:42,240
treat me like i've only watched a lot of

1509
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:44,960
mountain monsters and finding bigfoot

1510
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:47,440
and they just expect me to not know

1511
00:57:51,190 --> 00:57:49,839
anything and that that's a little

1512
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:51,200
frustrating

1513
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:52,559
it's definitely an obstacle that i've

1514
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:56,160
had to overcome and i think a definite

1515
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:57,920
other obstacle is

1516
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,079
it hasn't been terribly easy

1517
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,559
getting myself out into the field as a

1518
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:04,720
known researcher i mean

1519
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,880
i go to lots of conferences and i

1520
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:08,640
definitely became a face that a lot of

1521
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,480
people who go to them regularly

1522
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:13,040
recognize but i wasn't seen as a

1523
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:16,160
researcher as much as just a young fan

1524
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:17,599
so it

1525
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,160
it was definitely challenging to do so

1526
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:22,400
and what really helped me in that

1527
00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:24,319
aspect was definitely working with stan

1528
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:25,280
gordon

1529
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:27,040
and stan

1530
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:28,720
whenever i go to a conference with him

1531
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,720
if there was a person that i hadn't met

1532
00:58:34,470 --> 00:58:32,799
stan would grab me and introduce me to

1533
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:34,480
them and have me

1534
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:36,240
share some of my research and whatever

1535
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:37,200
so

1536
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,680
he definitely has helped with getting me

1537
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:41,760
looked at less as just a kid and and

1538
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:44,079
more as a researcher but what also has

1539
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:45,119
definitely

1540
00:58:48,390 --> 00:58:46,640
helped is

1541
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,400
jonathan downes i'm not sure if either

1542
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:50,880
of you are familiar with who he is oh

1543
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:53,760
yeah he's a um uk cryptozoologist he

1544
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,000
runs the center for 40 in zoology which

1545
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:59,040
is the biggest cryptozoological

1546
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:01,760
organization in the world and i had

1547
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:03,040
heard of them they were like this

1548
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,799
legendary group and i thought it was

1549
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:06,480
just a handful of people that were part

1550
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:08,400
of it like almost the knights of the

1551
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:11,680
round table but for cryptozoology

1552
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:14,160
they're better than that right so so

1553
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,920
once i started getting in the field i i

1554
00:59:20,470 --> 00:59:18,480
learned that you you can join

1555
00:59:21,510 --> 00:59:20,480
so i joined and

1556
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:21,520
just

1557
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,319
like a month after i i paid a couple

1558
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:26,000
bucks to be a member and get the

1559
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:27,760
newsletter or whatever

1560
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,240
i get this email from

1561
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:33,119
uh john downs and i'm like oh my god uh

1562
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:34,799
because he was another one of those

1563
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:36,799
talking heads that i saw on like every

1564
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:38,880
other episode of monster quest

1565
00:59:42,470 --> 00:59:40,799
and it always made me chuckle because he

1566
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:42,480
looked like hagrid

1567
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,200
uh from harry potter and

1568
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:47,200
so i read his email and he just wanted

1569
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:50,160
to say hello introduce himself and

1570
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:52,480
he was interested in um working with

1571
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:56,480
younger cryptozoologists because

1572
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:57,839
he

1573
01:00:01,349 --> 00:59:58,960
um

1574
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,359
is is constantly working on the future

1575
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:03,359
of the group and

1576
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:05,680
he he says that he's afraid that if

1577
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:06,880
something ever happens to him there

1578
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:08,720
won't be anyone to pick the group back

1579
01:00:14,150 --> 01:00:11,520
up right well um well it's the same in

1580
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:14,160
ufology it's the same in in many fringe

1581
01:00:17,349 --> 01:00:15,280
uh

1582
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,359
investigatory and research type

1583
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:19,440
organizations and and especially in

1584
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:21,440
ufology you go to a ufo conference the

1585
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:23,119
average age is in the you know mid to

1586
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,480
upper 60s

1587
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,400
which is a little scary

1588
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:28,480
right i always joke that uh i'm

1589
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:31,040
outnumbered in the age field

1590
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:32,400
um

1591
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:33,520
but

1592
01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:35,280
john

1593
01:00:39,589 --> 01:00:37,359
has become this friend

1594
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:39,599
of mine this this really great friend

1595
01:00:45,109 --> 01:00:42,240
that we chat pretty much every day not

1596
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:45,119
not just about cryptids and whatnot but

1597
01:00:47,990 --> 01:00:46,960
just about life the universe and

1598
01:00:48,870 --> 01:00:48,000
everything

1599
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:48,880
um

1600
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:51,280
and just just whatever and

1601
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:54,799
he's he like stan he also really pushes

1602
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:57,280
me to do research to to write more

1603
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,720
articles

1604
01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:00,960
um he was the person who gave me my

1605
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:02,480
first publication

1606
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:07,359
dogman and it was in the animals and men

1607
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:09,440
journal for the

1608
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:10,960
for for uh

1609
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:12,400
center for uh

1610
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,280
forty in zoology so it

1611
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:17,760
he was that person that really gave me

1612
01:01:22,069 --> 01:01:21,119
my first leg up uh into the field and

1613
01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:22,079
and

1614
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:24,079
being that an actor it took you

1615
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:27,119
seriously not as right a kid that that

1616
01:01:32,470 --> 01:01:29,839
may have a passing uh you know sort of

1617
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:32,480
uh fascination but but he took you

1618
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:34,079
seriously

1619
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:35,680
right and

1620
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:37,520
you know that that means the world to me

1621
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:38,799
from

1622
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:42,720
someone like stan and someone like john

1623
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:45,520
that are internationally recognized as

1624
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,640
some of the

1625
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:48,720
top researchers in not just

1626
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:51,839
cryptozoology but the field of forty and

1627
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:54,720
as as a whole right yeah yeah because

1628
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:56,880
both john and stan uh they're they're

1629
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:58,400
interested in everything and they go out

1630
01:02:02,549 --> 01:02:00,960
on all sorts of different cases uh uh

1631
01:02:05,829 --> 01:02:02,559
their particular fascination for

1632
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:05,839
jonathan is is crypto uh reports but but

1633
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:07,599
both him and stan are open for anything

1634
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:09,359
really and they have an incredible

1635
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:11,440
amount of experience investigating all

1636
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:14,240
all any number of things

1637
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:16,000
exactly i mean

1638
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:17,680
they

1639
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:20,480
well in science there's that saying we

1640
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:22,480
we stand on the shoulders of giants

1641
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:24,960
implying that the work that has been

1642
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,240
done in the past influences what we do

1643
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:30,960
and we can build off of it well in my

1644
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:33,359
case i don't just stand on the shoulders

1645
01:02:37,990 --> 01:02:35,520
of these giants i work with these giants

1646
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:38,000
and they're they're my friends and

1647
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,079
they're helping me become

1648
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:42,799
a giant for the generation after me and

1649
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:44,799
the generation after them

1650
01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:45,839
so

1651
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:48,079
i i can't honestly i can't thank them

1652
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:49,359
enough and

1653
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:51,599
i i can't express how incredibly lucky i

1654
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,160
am for the position that i'm in with the

1655
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:56,880
with the field and who i work with

1656
01:03:01,030 --> 01:02:59,200
yeah well um again we've got to go to

1657
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:01,040
break but uh when we come back i want to

1658
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:02,480
talk about

1659
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:03,440
you know

1660
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:05,119
you drill down a little bit more on some

1661
01:03:08,549 --> 01:03:06,720
of the problems that a

1662
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:08,559
teenager has and getting not not only

1663
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:10,000
getting involved in the field but

1664
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:13,359
actually going out into the field and

1665
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:16,000
investigating of these cases in real

1666
01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:18,799
time and uh possibly putting yourself in

1667
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:20,000
harm's way

1668
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:22,079
possibly putting yourself uh to be an

1669
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experiencer as opposed to an

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investigator coming in or a researcher

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coming in after the fact so when we come

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back we'll talk about those things well

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there you go

1674
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they would call someone like colin

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schneider a precocious kid when i was

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really young

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and it's really

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pleasing to see

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the progress he's made in understanding

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these mysteries and imagine what he'll

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accomplish in the next 10 20 or 30 years

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with gina and chris you're in the

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so we're looking at

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a 16 year old

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01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:27,359
cryptozoologist colin schneider the

1794
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:29,679
crypto kid with gene and chris on the

1795
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:32,000
power cast chris go ahead

1796
01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:34,480
i have a question here uh from harry

1797
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:36,560
newton who's in london and uh i'm sure

1798
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:39,040
as an avid follower of jonathan dallas

1799
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:40,400
he says dear gene and chris i was

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01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:41,759
wondering about the

1801
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:44,880
age of mr snyder wilson might make me

1802
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:47,120
sound like an old curmudgeon i'm willing

1803
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:49,839
to take that risk for a clean conscious

1804
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:51,040
anyway

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01:08:55,269 --> 01:08:53,359
i love cryptozoology but there is a

1806
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:55,279
definite dark side according to some

1807
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:57,520
researchers and things like gray aliens

1808
01:09:01,910 --> 01:09:00,239
are considered by some to be cryptids i

1809
01:09:03,189 --> 01:09:01,920
think what i'm trying to say is that

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there are certain aspects of

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01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:05,120
cryptozoology that are grotesque and

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01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:07,920
disturbing in the extreme um he uses the

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01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:10,000
examples of abductions and uh the

1814
01:09:14,709 --> 01:09:12,799
mutilation phenomenon which i think is

1815
01:09:16,870 --> 01:09:14,719
is kind of a little there's a loose

1816
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:16,880
affiliation there and he says i

1817
01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:18,560
personally wouldn't be happy about

1818
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:20,719
talking about these aspects was someone

1819
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:23,040
who wasn't of age which i gathered to

1820
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:25,839
meet either 18 or 21 i'm not sure so he

1821
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:27,759
says to put that into a question

1822
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:30,239
have yukon had any words of caution or

1823
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:32,880
advice regarding the darker side of

1824
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:35,199
cryptozoology or the paranormal in

1825
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:36,719
general and then he wants to know what

1826
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,560
sort of advice we would uh give you uh

1827
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:40,480
gina gina myself

1828
01:09:43,269 --> 01:09:41,359
well

1829
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:43,279
in terms of advice most of what i've

1830
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:45,440
just gotten from

1831
01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:47,040
the people i work with and the people

1832
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:50,319
who have given me advice is

1833
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:52,880
just how to interview people without you

1834
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:55,360
know influencing what they're saying how

1835
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:56,560
to

1836
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cast a track

1837
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:01,360
you know how to do proper research how

1838
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:04,159
to write an article

1839
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:05,600
that type of stuff

1840
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:07,840
well a lot of the people i work with

1841
01:10:12,310 --> 01:10:10,000
while they do

1842
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:12,320
investigate the

1843
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:14,080
weirder side or the interdimensional

1844
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:17,040
phenomenon connected to

1845
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:18,320
cryptids

1846
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:21,520
in general a lot of them don't

1847
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:23,360
necessarily

1848
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:24,880
think that it's it's

1849
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like they don't think that the men in

1850
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black are going to come to my house and

1851
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:30,640
shake everything down then abduct me

1852
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:32,800
or anything like that

1853
01:10:36,630 --> 01:10:34,239
concerning

1854
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:36,640
grey aliens and like abductions

1855
01:10:41,510 --> 01:10:38,880
even in the ufo field when i i've talked

1856
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:41,520
to ufo guys specifically about

1857
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:43,440
um the fact that i'm just interested in

1858
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:46,400
it i've never really gotten that i think

1859
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:47,920
that

1860
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:55,280
america it's generally looked at

1861
01:10:58,950 --> 01:10:57,600
a lot of the the researchers haven't had

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experiences

1863
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and

1864
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they don't think they will i mean take

1865
01:11:06,070 --> 01:11:03,679
stan gordon he's been doing this for i

1866
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,080
think nearly 60 years and he's never

1867
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:08,400
seen a bigfoot never seen a ufo never

1868
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:11,760
encountered anything so

1869
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:14,159
this may just be my young arrogance

1870
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:15,679
speaking but

1871
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:17,760
i don't think there's a lot of uh you

1872
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,520
know danger from whatever i'm

1873
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:21,840
researching

1874
01:11:24,550 --> 01:11:23,040
now

1875
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:24,560
there is like

1876
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:26,880
poltergeist type phenomenon

1877
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:29,120
things moving uh

1878
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:31,040
objects flying off the shelves those

1879
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:32,400
have been reported by other

1880
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:34,480
cryptozoologists and there are some

1881
01:11:38,830 --> 01:11:36,800
cryptozoologists who have reported men

1882
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:38,840
in black encounters but nothing

1883
01:11:43,510 --> 01:11:40,880
dangerous and

1884
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:43,520
i i'd even be willing about 70 percent

1885
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,360
of cryptozoologists

1886
01:11:50,470 --> 01:11:47,840
are of the opinion that what they're

1887
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:50,480
researching is just animals and and the

1888
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:52,960
use of the term cryptozoology and the

1889
01:11:57,990 --> 01:11:55,040
use of the term cryptids

1890
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:58,000
implies that what they're researching is

1891
01:12:02,310 --> 01:11:59,840
simply a uh

1892
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:02,320
an undiscovered animal so so they're

1893
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:05,520
more afraid of us than we are of them

1894
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:07,840
exactly i mean they're looked at as

1895
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:09,199
animals they're

1896
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:10,640
they

1897
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:14,159
i mean while you still get the the

1898
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:17,440
occasional there's a um

1899
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:19,040
there's an interdimensional connection

1900
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:20,960
and people have mentioned that

1901
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:22,880
a lot of the researchers either don't

1902
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:25,600
think there is or

1903
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:28,400
uh the interdimensional connection is

1904
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,520
just associated with the big ones the

1905
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:33,600
the bigfoots the

1906
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:36,560
the loch ness monsters the those type of

1907
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:38,960
creatures but when you're looking at

1908
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,480
lesser known oddities or or just

1909
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:44,239
be it

1910
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:45,440
uh

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01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:48,560
more normal if you will oddities like

1912
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:51,199
the the possible continued existence of

1913
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:54,560
the thylacine the tasmanian tiger

1914
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:56,080
there there

1915
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:58,400
there have been no interdimensional

1916
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:01,040
connections with that specific creature

1917
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:02,159
and i think that's really what

1918
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:04,080
cryptozoology has been always intended

1919
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:05,120
to be

1920
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:07,360
right just good point good point

1921
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:08,560
just the

1922
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:10,320
examination and search for unknown

1923
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:12,080
animals and

1924
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:14,080
unfortunately

1925
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:16,080
while i do think that everything is a

1926
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:18,080
possibility and everything should be

1927
01:13:23,669 --> 01:13:20,560
looked at i think that it has been kind

1928
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:23,679
of hijacked and thrown into this this

1929
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:25,120
place where

1930
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:28,159
where werewolves and and aliens

1931
01:13:32,630 --> 01:13:30,000
are looked at as

1932
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:32,640
realistic cryptids and while i think

1933
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:34,480
that the dogman phenomenon

1934
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:36,560
is a definite possibility and like i've

1935
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:39,679
said before should be examined i i i

1936
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:41,840
don't think that they're shape-shifting

1937
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:44,320
humans i think that if there is a dog

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01:13:46,830 --> 01:13:45,360
man

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01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:46,840
and we're looking at it through the

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cryptozoological lens specifically

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then it would be some kind of

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evolutionary

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oddity which led to

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bipedalism in canines which

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is when you when you look at the fossil

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record completely unparalleled and we've

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never seen that's a bit of a stretch

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but it has been suggested by researchers

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and when you're looking at it from a

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specifically cryptozoological lens that

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is something that should be examined so

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i think that cryptozoology like i said

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has been hijacked and thrown into these

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01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:22,719
camps with other things and when you're

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looking at the bigfoot phenomenon

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if you're looking at it from a

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cryptozoological perspective that's the

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flesh and bones

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but if you're looking at it from just a

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general fordian

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perspective then you get into the

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weirder things

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so it

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it's kind of let me interrupt a little

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01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:42,719
bit uh you know i think lauren coleman

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would be an example of the more

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conservative approach flesh and blood

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animals under on you know as yet

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undefined um as as yet un undis

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01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:54,080
discovered officially and then at the

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other end of the spectrum you have nick

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redfern who is more of a florian who

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really has more of a sense of someone

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01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:02,159
that um thinks that these things are

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more paranormal in nature and and so

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you know looking at your list

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of

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have befriended you and are helping you

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i think you've done a good job in

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getting both ends of the spectrum uh you

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know in a way to come up with uh with

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your own particular personal view on

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this

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yeah um i

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i've i've definitely i definitely feel

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that i've done that i mean i have

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several hundred books on the subject and

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01:15:36,709 --> 01:15:34,560
everything from carl shuker discussing

1989
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the pos the idea that dinosaurs have

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survived into modern day

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01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:42,880
to chad armand he's less little lesser

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known researcher but he looks at

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cryptozoology as a methodology for

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um

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exploration of science and

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i've been reading one of his books which

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is absolutely excellent called

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01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:59,440
cryptozoology science and speculation

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01:16:02,070 --> 01:16:00,560
and

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he

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at least from that books perspective

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01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:04,960
he's very against the idea of the

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01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:06,800
paranormal aspects

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01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:09,920
but he does hint at the idea that it

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could it could find a place in other

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01:16:16,149 --> 01:16:15,360
fields just not in the cryptozoological

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one

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because i i mean when you're saying

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you're a fortian researcher that doesn't

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mean

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that you're just a ghost guy or you're

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just someone else it's a variety

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right

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we've got a wide variety of things to

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before chris goes on i want to ask a

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brief question here colin you've been

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talking a lot about your interaction

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with adult researchers and how a

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teenager

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01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:29,679
can manage to do field research what

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about your fellow travelers at school do

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you have any friends peers who are also

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interested in these studies

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well last year my freshman year of high

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school i tried to start a paranormal

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club

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i had about 15 kids show up the first

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day which is really good because we only

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have about 400 kids in the school

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they all kind of sat there and all they

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want all they thought the thing would be

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was sitting there watching like ghost

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hunters

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and i i wanted to do like the main thing

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i wanted to do for like the first

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meeting was set up a

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little survey that we could send out to

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the school and see what people's

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opinions on the subject works because

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statistics are very interesting to me

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and no one was interested in doing that

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so the next meeting i had five people

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attending and the only reason those five

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people attended was because i said

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cookies would be present

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so

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there's not a lot of interest in it

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because my school is unique it's it's a

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science school there's also a lot of

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kids who kind of go well that's weird

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but good for you and and then there's a

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lot of kids that

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say hmm i don't think that i agree with

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what he says but he's been published and

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i haven't so

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this high school is unlike most high

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schools so

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they definitely listen to me a lot more

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and and i have had kids at lunch

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come up to me and just ask me frank why

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i believe in bigfoot and i explained

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them i don't believe in bigfoot i i

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think that there's a possibility and it

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should be looked at i feel like i've

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said that quite a bit on this

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but i don't get

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just people making fun i either get

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utter

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indifference

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or people intrigued but not sure where

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they stand

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is there a way for you in the city in

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which you live to reach a wider

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selection of people your age

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no

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i live in the middle of cow country

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all of my neighbors are farmers so

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there's really no way for me to reach a

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bigger audience unfortunately i have

2196
01:23:40,870 --> 01:23:39,360
been working with john downs to set up a

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youth group

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within the cryptos within uh center for

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40 in zoology

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that has been

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really difficult because they're only

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i as far as i know there are only two

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teenagers in the group myself

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and a person that um

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i know who's also in ohio and we've

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worked together before and we're good

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friends named tyler houck

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and we're the only two kids in in that

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group specifically um

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every time i go to conferences i always

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keep my eye out for teenagers i rarely

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01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:15,679
see us but every time i do

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01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:17,920
i go up to them try to talk try to get

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this this

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discussion going

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and if i feel like they're actually

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01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:24,239
interested in being a researcher as

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01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:26,080
opposed to their they were just

2219
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:27,760
intrigued and had nothing to do on a

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01:24:32,790 --> 01:24:30,560
saturday or they just love ghost hunters

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01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:32,800
and wanted to see what was going on at

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01:24:36,629 --> 01:24:34,639
the the conference

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01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:36,639
i hand them my card i tell them to keep

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01:24:41,189 --> 01:24:39,120
in touch and sometimes they do sometimes

2225
01:24:44,790 --> 01:24:41,199
they don't it's uh

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01:24:46,390 --> 01:24:44,800
closer to 30 percent they do the seventy

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01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:46,400
percent they don't

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01:24:50,470 --> 01:24:48,480
and i i think it's honestly just because

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of our age i mean

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if you were a teenager and you had

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another teenager just randomly go up to

2232
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:55,760
you and say hey i'm also interested in

2233
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:57,600
the paranormal would you want to talk to

2234
01:25:01,590 --> 01:24:59,280
me and hang out

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01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:01,600
i don't know how i personally would

2236
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:03,360
would deal with that type of approach

2237
01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:05,440
but i i keep trying

2238
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:07,199
this of course is apropos of nothing

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01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:09,360
because it's the 1960s

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and what we did then we actually had a

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newsstand magazine called flying saucers

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edited and published by a guy named ray

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palmer

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01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,080
and a lot of we young ufo people

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01:25:26,709 --> 01:25:22,560
read this magazine which had

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a section called ufo club news

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01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:28,320
we post there

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01:25:33,430 --> 01:25:31,199
and we get letters from people across

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the country they used actual snail mail

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in those days

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and over time i actually met people

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01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:40,159
around the country fellow travelers and

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01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:42,080
i guess today

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you'd have to go on facebook or twitter

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to try to catch up a conversation maybe

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01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:49,520
not so much with local people which

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01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:51,120
might be difficult

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01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:53,520
but look at people on a national or

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01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:54,639
global

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01:25:58,870 --> 01:25:56,719
level have you done that

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01:26:01,030 --> 01:25:58,880
i've tried i mean there's a kid in

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01:26:03,910 --> 01:26:01,040
australia that i've um

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01:26:05,669 --> 01:26:03,920
emailed before uh he's he's gotten back

2264
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:05,679
to me we we haven't been able to keep up

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01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:06,960
a uh

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01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:08,400
constant

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01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:10,639
discussion or interaction but the

2268
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:11,840
problem is

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01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,639
today because we're so connected

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01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:16,400
everyone's worried about

2271
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:18,880
the creeps on like facebook contacting

2272
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:21,520
kids and whatever so it's really

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01:26:24,950 --> 01:26:23,040
difficult

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01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:24,960
to get a response when you say hey i'm a

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01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:26,639
kid i'm interested in the same thing you

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01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:27,679
are

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01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:30,560
let's talk because people automatically

2278
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:32,800
rightly so assume that you're just a

2279
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:33,920
creep

2280
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:36,639
so it is really difficult and the way i

2281
01:26:40,149 --> 01:26:38,080
look at it is

2282
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:40,159
because we're so connected with the

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01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:41,120
world

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01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:43,520
it's actually harder for teenagers to

2285
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:44,880
get connected

2286
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:46,800
if they're interested in the same thing

2287
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:49,120
well that's that's a really good insight

2288
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:51,120
that leads to another question i mean

2289
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:52,560
what can we do

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01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:54,000
as adults

2291
01:26:59,669 --> 01:26:56,960
who are involved in the field and and me

2292
01:27:02,470 --> 01:26:59,679
who is involved with a lot of production

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01:27:03,430 --> 01:27:02,480
companies that produce programming

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01:27:05,270 --> 01:27:03,440
that

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01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:05,280
we see on tv

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01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:07,920
what can we as adults and producers of

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01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:09,520
programming do

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01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:11,760
to interest and and

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01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:13,120
stimulate

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01:27:16,709 --> 01:27:15,040
your generation to get more involved

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01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:16,719
because if we don't

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01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:18,480
this whole subject matter is gonna die

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01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:19,840
on the vine

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01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:22,320
right well honestly i think that the

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01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:24,560
biggest thing because i i don't watch a

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01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:27,280
lot of uh television i honestly don't

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01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:29,600
have a have a lot of time

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01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:30,800
but

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01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:32,639
i think honestly

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01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:33,920
from my experience going to the

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01:27:36,550 --> 01:27:35,520
conferences and talking to people i

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01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:36,560
think

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01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:37,520
that

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01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:40,080
the field as a whole should really stop

2315
01:27:44,950 --> 01:27:42,960
treating kids as idiots and and treating

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01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:44,960
treating teenagers

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01:27:49,590 --> 01:27:46,880
as just people

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01:27:52,149 --> 01:27:49,600
as just kids who watch a lot of the the

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01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:52,159
whatever show that happens to be related

2320
01:27:56,310 --> 01:27:54,239
to the subject matter well present

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01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:56,320
company excluded i mean we're having you

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01:28:01,189 --> 01:27:59,360
on the show exactly exactly but i and

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01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:01,199
and the people i work with excluded as

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01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:04,080
well but i think a lot of local groups

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01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:07,040
especially uh groups that

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01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:09,920
are just in their state or just in their

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01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:11,040
um

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01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:13,040
county and they haven't had as much

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01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:15,679
exposure as the bigger guys

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01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:17,600
they have a harder time listening to

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01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:20,000
kids and and and treating them as as

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01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:23,120
equal researchers or or treating them as

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01:28:27,350 --> 01:28:25,360
young researchers and

2334
01:28:29,510 --> 01:28:27,360
the what i've noticed is that actually

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01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:29,520
the the bigger you are

2336
01:28:35,270 --> 01:28:32,880
nick redfern is huge lauren coleman uh

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01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:35,280
and john downs all of those guys they're

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01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:36,800
they're huge

2339
01:28:40,550 --> 01:28:39,120
the the bigger you are the easier you're

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01:28:44,629 --> 01:28:40,560
actually

2341
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:44,639
approachable the the more they're

2342
01:28:48,629 --> 01:28:47,280
approachable because

2343
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:48,639
they

2344
01:28:52,149 --> 01:28:50,320
know what it's like being a beginner in

2345
01:28:54,629 --> 01:28:52,159
the field and they know

2346
01:28:56,709 --> 01:28:54,639
what it's what it what it's like to look

2347
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:56,719
up to people because lauren coleman

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01:29:01,270 --> 01:28:59,520
looked up to ivan t sanderson and and

2349
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:01,280
bernard hooverman's and he sent letters

2350
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:03,600
back and forth when he was about my age

2351
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:06,320
and they treated him equally then and

2352
01:29:08,709 --> 01:29:07,840
and they treated him as a researcher

2353
01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:08,719
then

2354
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:10,480
and

2355
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:12,880
so i i think that it's

2356
01:29:18,070 --> 01:29:14,800
something that people

2357
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:18,080
that that the big guys already do

2358
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:20,320
and the smaller guys

2359
01:29:26,550 --> 01:29:23,040
for whatever reason they they

2360
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:26,560
don't they they are a bit more

2361
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:27,440
you know

2362
01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:30,000
i am a bigfoot researcher and you're

2363
01:29:34,229 --> 01:29:32,239
just a kid who's seen a bunch of bigfoot

2364
01:29:36,070 --> 01:29:34,239
shows well you wanna you wanna know a

2365
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:36,080
little secret

2366
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:38,639
the big name researchers

2367
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:41,360
that you've uh you've talked about still

2368
01:29:45,350 --> 01:29:42,880
have

2369
01:29:46,550 --> 01:29:45,360
a grasp and a connection

2370
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:46,560
to that

2371
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:48,000
that early

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01:29:54,229 --> 01:29:50,800
inspiration as a teenager

2373
01:29:56,149 --> 01:29:54,239
as a kid that compelled them to become

2374
01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:56,159
the quality researcher that they are

2375
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:58,560
today they've never lost track of that

2376
01:30:03,110 --> 01:30:00,719
and it's that connection to that that

2377
01:30:05,110 --> 01:30:03,120
that that young energy

2378
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:05,120
uh that is so important in this field

2379
01:30:08,149 --> 01:30:06,400
and that's why

2380
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:08,159
the people that you've described all

2381
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:10,560
have that connection and me included i i

2382
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:12,639
still have that connection to that that

2383
01:30:16,070 --> 01:30:13,920
real young

2384
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:16,080
just wide-eyed wonder of

2385
01:30:18,870 --> 01:30:16,960
wow

2386
01:30:20,950 --> 01:30:18,880
wouldn't this be cool if we could figure

2387
01:30:23,110 --> 01:30:20,960
this out you know i mean you've got to

2388
01:30:25,750 --> 01:30:23,120
have that in a lot of the i think a lot

2389
01:30:27,990 --> 01:30:25,760
of your local regional groups um it's

2390
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:28,000
more of a social thing it's more of they

2391
01:30:31,350 --> 01:30:30,000
get they get together and it's kind of

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01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:31,360
their social life because they really

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01:30:35,350 --> 01:30:33,440
don't have lives

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01:30:37,510 --> 01:30:35,360
well they say that about me but we know

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you don't have a live gene oh

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01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:39,120
let me start the ways with gene and

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this is jacques valley you're listening

2497
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:10,639
to the paracast

2498
01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:25,510
i was thinking of something really dumb

2499
01:35:28,550 --> 01:35:26,320
here

2500
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:28,560
and chris is going to agree it's them

2501
01:35:32,229 --> 01:35:29,920
and that is

2502
01:35:33,189 --> 01:35:32,239
if they're going to be reality shows on

2503
01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:33,199
there

2504
01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:36,239
for ghost hunters cryptozoologists ufo

2505
01:35:40,950 --> 01:35:37,280
hunters

2506
01:35:42,229 --> 01:35:40,960
why not a young person's reality show

2507
01:35:44,550 --> 01:35:42,239
someone should come up with that i think

2508
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:44,560
that's a great idea well you and i

2509
01:35:47,590 --> 01:35:46,560
producers love to do it where can i sign

2510
01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:47,600
up cool

2511
01:35:50,550 --> 01:35:48,400
well

2512
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:50,560
how about if i put together a uh

2513
01:35:53,590 --> 01:35:52,800
you know a proposal you know kind of a

2514
01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:53,600
uh

2515
01:35:56,950 --> 01:35:55,280
a pitch and would you be interested in

2516
01:35:59,110 --> 01:35:56,960
doing something like that

2517
01:36:00,229 --> 01:35:59,120
yeah i definitely would because i think

2518
01:36:01,669 --> 01:36:00,239
it's uh

2519
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:01,679
honestly i think it's important to have

2520
01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:03,840
a young face associated with the field

2521
01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:05,920
because if you look at

2522
01:36:09,669 --> 01:36:07,760
let me use monster quest again

2523
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:09,679
well if you look at episodes of monster

2524
01:36:12,629 --> 01:36:11,199
quest because you know that's the show

2525
01:36:15,110 --> 01:36:12,639
i've seen the most

2526
01:36:17,590 --> 01:36:15,120
i'd be willing to bet 9 out of 10 people

2527
01:36:21,270 --> 01:36:17,600
that have been on there are

2528
01:36:23,590 --> 01:36:21,280
in in their the middle age to

2529
01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:23,600
slightly older and

2530
01:36:27,830 --> 01:36:25,600
most of them have beards

2531
01:36:30,629 --> 01:36:27,840
almost all of them have hats like like

2532
01:36:32,310 --> 01:36:30,639
fedoras or something and there's

2533
01:36:34,149 --> 01:36:32,320
less of a uh

2534
01:36:36,629 --> 01:36:34,159
young face it just seems like a

2535
01:36:38,470 --> 01:36:36,639
gentleman's club if you just watch the

2536
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:38,480
the shows like monster quest i

2537
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:41,280
understand 16 it's hard to do a beard

2538
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:43,440
maybe when you're 22 or something and

2539
01:36:46,229 --> 01:36:44,880
the hair is starting to grow in the face

2540
01:36:49,350 --> 01:36:46,239
whatever it is

2541
01:36:51,109 --> 01:36:49,360
grow the beard

2542
01:36:54,149 --> 01:36:51,119
just saying yeah

2543
01:36:56,790 --> 01:36:54,159
well when i was entering high school

2544
01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:56,800
my dad said you have to shave your

2545
01:37:00,550 --> 01:36:58,320
mustache because i had a very faint

2546
01:37:01,510 --> 01:37:00,560
mustache i was very proud of it i said

2547
01:37:03,270 --> 01:37:01,520
okay

2548
01:37:05,910 --> 01:37:03,280
this was right before summer started i

2549
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:05,920
said okay if i can grow a beard by the

2550
01:37:10,070 --> 01:37:07,920
end of summer will you let me keep it

2551
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:10,080
and he laughed and said fine and i never

2552
01:37:14,550 --> 01:37:12,800
grew any more facial hair

2553
01:37:17,350 --> 01:37:14,560
so i may not have a beard but i

2554
01:37:18,470 --> 01:37:17,360
definitely have hats i collect hats

2555
01:37:22,629 --> 01:37:18,480
and

2556
01:37:25,910 --> 01:37:22,639
definitely part of crypto zoology's

2557
01:37:28,550 --> 01:37:25,920
image but i also i also think that it's

2558
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:28,560
important to have younger people because

2559
01:37:32,149 --> 01:37:30,400
ghost hunters has been doing that quite

2560
01:37:34,310 --> 01:37:32,159
a bit they they did the ghost hunters

2561
01:37:37,750 --> 01:37:34,320
academy show which was kind of cool they

2562
01:37:40,550 --> 01:37:37,760
brought a bunch of uh 20-somethings

2563
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,560
um and they trained them out to be ghost

2564
01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:42,560
hunters and they went on investigations

2565
01:37:48,629 --> 01:37:45,760
and each each episode they lost someone

2566
01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:48,639
because they they did poorly or whatever

2567
01:37:52,470 --> 01:37:51,040
but it was it was cool because it was it

2568
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:52,480
was like you were seeing the next

2569
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:54,560
generation of researchers

2570
01:37:59,270 --> 01:37:56,880
doing something so so it kind of built

2571
01:38:01,830 --> 01:37:59,280
this confidence that wow maybe they

2572
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:01,840
eventually will find answers but

2573
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:03,679
cryptozoology is still very much this

2574
01:38:09,669 --> 01:38:06,480
this gentleman's club it's it's like the

2575
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:09,679
explorers clubs from the uh 50s and 60s

2576
01:38:15,430 --> 01:38:12,320
the the british men who have

2577
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:15,440
hiked up mount everest 20 sometimes

2578
01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:17,440
they all stand around with their their

2579
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:20,159
pipes and tweed jackets discussing their

2580
01:38:24,310 --> 01:38:22,080
adventures and that that's from a

2581
01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:24,320
younger kid's perspective who once was

2582
01:38:29,510 --> 01:38:26,719
an outsider that's kind of how it seemed

2583
01:38:31,430 --> 01:38:29,520
and i hate that because that's not at

2584
01:38:34,390 --> 01:38:31,440
all what it is

2585
01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:34,400
it's just a bunch of people who who love

2586
01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:38,000
the idea of monsters and want that to be

2587
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:39,520
possible

2588
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:41,440
maybe they should be also setting up

2589
01:38:45,669 --> 01:38:43,440
booths at comic-cons and such you're

2590
01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:45,679
reaching hundreds of thousands of kids

2591
01:38:49,990 --> 01:38:47,600
who are already into

2592
01:38:51,750 --> 01:38:50,000
monsters and such in terms of fiction

2593
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:51,760
and they've got to be a lot of those who

2594
01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:54,000
if they had this opportunity might be

2595
01:38:57,189 --> 01:38:55,360
interested as well

2596
01:38:59,430 --> 01:38:57,199
well they do occasionally i mean lauren

2597
01:39:02,470 --> 01:38:59,440
coleman does quite a few comic

2598
01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:02,480
conventions but the danger of doing that

2599
01:39:06,709 --> 01:39:05,440
is then you get all lots of people who

2600
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:06,719
you know just

2601
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:09,520
still treat it as as a fictional thing

2602
01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:10,800
and and

2603
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:12,480
if you're just sitting there looking

2604
01:39:16,709 --> 01:39:14,960
like a cryptozoologist with let's say

2605
01:39:18,629 --> 01:39:16,719
two books one about bigfoot and one

2606
01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:18,639
about lake monsters

2607
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:20,639
i would be willing to bet a good

2608
01:39:24,390 --> 01:39:22,480
percentage of the people would just

2609
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:24,400
assume they're fiction books

2610
01:39:28,310 --> 01:39:25,679
because

2611
01:39:31,669 --> 01:39:28,320
the only non-fiction you see at comic

2612
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:31,679
conventions is like analyses

2613
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:33,760
of pop culture or whatever and like

2614
01:39:37,109 --> 01:39:35,360
discussing why the pop culture is

2615
01:39:39,430 --> 01:39:37,119
influential so

2616
01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:39,440
it's a possibility and it's an idea but

2617
01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:42,320
i i i don't know how helpful that would

2618
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:43,199
be

2619
01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:45,760
i think that the easiest way to reach

2620
01:39:49,590 --> 01:39:48,239
people is definitely still television

2621
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:49,600
because

2622
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:52,800
everybody watches tv all the time and i

2623
01:39:56,149 --> 01:39:54,560
know a lot of kids who say well i don't

2624
01:39:58,070 --> 01:39:56,159
believe in the paranormal but i watch

2625
01:39:59,109 --> 01:39:58,080
ghost hunters a lot because i find it

2626
01:40:00,149 --> 01:39:59,119
funny

2627
01:40:01,990 --> 01:40:00,159
so

2628
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:02,000
even if they don't believe it or even if

2629
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:03,760
they don't think it's possible you're

2630
01:40:07,109 --> 01:40:06,000
still reaching a wider audience and lots

2631
01:40:08,470 --> 01:40:07,119
of kids

2632
01:40:09,430 --> 01:40:08,480
well don't forget

2633
01:40:11,669 --> 01:40:09,440
colin

2634
01:40:13,510 --> 01:40:11,679
every tv show

2635
01:40:14,950 --> 01:40:13,520
is there because they think that people

2636
01:40:16,950 --> 01:40:14,960
will watch it so

2637
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:16,960
they can attract advertisers and sell

2638
01:40:21,430 --> 01:40:19,280
advertising so everything that you see

2639
01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:21,440
on tv is entertainment you know all the

2640
01:40:24,629 --> 01:40:23,520
way through all your news programs

2641
01:40:26,310 --> 01:40:24,639
really

2642
01:40:28,149 --> 01:40:26,320
now in this day and age it didn't used

2643
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:28,159
to be that way but but in this day and

2644
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:31,040
age anything that comes across that tv

2645
01:40:34,870 --> 01:40:31,920
is

2646
01:40:38,149 --> 01:40:34,880
viewed by the producers as entertainment

2647
01:40:40,229 --> 01:40:38,159
and it's just gaps between commercials

2648
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:40,239
which are the real focus of uh

2649
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:42,719
broadcasting what makes it worse by the

2650
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:45,600
way is they regard news calling the same

2651
01:40:50,310 --> 01:40:47,040
way

2652
01:40:54,149 --> 01:40:50,320
right i think that's definitely true but

2653
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:54,159
if you look at the two top things when

2654
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:56,560
you ask cryptozoologists what got them

2655
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:57,760
interested

2656
01:41:01,430 --> 01:40:59,840
i can i can guarantee almost all of them

2657
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:01,440
will either say

2658
01:41:05,590 --> 01:41:03,520
they were they first read on the track

2659
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:05,600
of unknown animals by bernard hoovelmans

2660
01:41:08,550 --> 01:41:07,679
and were astonished

2661
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:08,560
or

2662
01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:17,280
they would say they watched

2663
01:41:21,430 --> 01:41:19,760
um on the track um

2664
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:21,440
they watched um

2665
01:41:25,270 --> 01:41:23,679
in search of with leonard nimoy and that

2666
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:25,280
got them interested

2667
01:41:30,629 --> 01:41:27,840
so television definitely has this huge

2668
01:41:34,149 --> 01:41:30,639
influence on people and even if it it's

2669
01:41:35,510 --> 01:41:34,159
it's mostly fabricated or even if it's

2670
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:35,520
completely for

2671
01:41:39,990 --> 01:41:37,679
the the commercials which is completely

2672
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:40,000
true it still has this effect in this

2673
01:41:44,709 --> 01:41:42,400
influence and at least

2674
01:41:47,750 --> 01:41:44,719
personally for me

2675
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:47,760
without that show that most people

2676
01:41:50,950 --> 01:41:49,440
most kids my age had never heard of

2677
01:41:53,350 --> 01:41:50,960
monster quest

2678
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:53,360
if not for that show i don't think i'd

2679
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:55,440
be here talking to you guys right now i

2680
01:41:58,149 --> 01:41:56,719
don't think i'd have

2681
01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:58,159
anything published i don't think i'd

2682
01:42:02,470 --> 01:42:00,480
even hurt i would have even heard of any

2683
01:42:04,390 --> 01:42:02,480
cryptids other than like

2684
01:42:07,990 --> 01:42:04,400
bigfoot and the loch ness monster maybe

2685
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:08,000
the the yeti too so

2686
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:09,679
even even if

2687
01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:12,000
it's it's nothing but entertainment you

2688
01:42:16,870 --> 01:42:15,040
still have that even one percent of the

2689
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:16,880
audience that says

2690
01:42:20,070 --> 01:42:17,840
hmm

2691
01:42:22,629 --> 01:42:20,080
i wonder if that's true

2692
01:42:24,629 --> 01:42:22,639
and then looks into it

2693
01:42:26,709 --> 01:42:24,639
you have the next generation of

2694
01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:26,719
researchers

2695
01:42:31,270 --> 01:42:28,960
yeah well i think it's a good idea that

2696
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:31,280
i would like to talk to you um after the

2697
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:33,760
show uh a little bit about possibly

2698
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:36,320
exploring um the potential for

2699
01:42:41,109 --> 01:42:39,600
a um you know a pitch for a show idea um

2700
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:41,119
that involves younger researchers like

2701
01:42:44,950 --> 01:42:43,440
yourself and and they're out there

2702
01:42:46,709 --> 01:42:44,960
you're you're not the only one there's a

2703
01:42:48,390 --> 01:42:46,719
lot of kids out there that have an

2704
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:48,400
interest but they don't know where to go

2705
01:42:51,669 --> 01:42:49,840
and they don't know how

2706
01:42:54,149 --> 01:42:51,679
uh they don't have as much

2707
01:42:56,310 --> 01:42:54,159
inspiration and nerve as you do to uh to

2708
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:56,320
to actually you know contact lauren

2709
01:43:01,590 --> 01:42:59,280
coleman to visit the museum in maine uh

2710
01:43:03,270 --> 01:43:01,600
to contact nick radford or jonathan

2711
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:03,280
downs

2712
01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:05,840
so we'll talk about that later

2713
01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:08,159
i'm going to kind of move on here we've

2714
01:43:12,229 --> 01:43:11,119
got a bunch of questions um that our

2715
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:12,239
listeners

2716
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:13,760
are able to post questions at

2717
01:43:19,270 --> 01:43:16,400
forum.theparacast.com

2718
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:19,280
where um our questions are are printed

2719
01:43:22,390 --> 01:43:21,360
out for us to to go ahead and ask our

2720
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:22,400
guests and

2721
01:43:29,109 --> 01:43:25,920
eric the red who i met in minnesota um

2722
01:43:31,430 --> 01:43:29,119
he attended the uh paradigm symposium uh

2723
01:43:33,109 --> 01:43:31,440
back in 20 i think 14

2724
01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:33,119
and uh um

2725
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:35,520
very very astute guy

2726
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:37,199
doesn't doesn't post very often but he

2727
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:39,040
asks really good questions

2728
01:43:42,229 --> 01:43:40,400
and this is one that i think that you're

2729
01:43:44,390 --> 01:43:42,239
going to have to deal with

2730
01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:44,400
all throughout your career

2731
01:43:49,270 --> 01:43:46,480
and that is you know what do you say to

2732
01:43:51,350 --> 01:43:49,280
the bigfoot skeptics who say things like

2733
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:51,360
why don't we have good unambiguous

2734
01:43:56,790 --> 01:43:53,679
videos and photos of them

2735
01:43:59,189 --> 01:43:56,800
where are the bodies and the remains and

2736
01:44:00,310 --> 01:43:59,199
he says people are

2737
01:44:02,709 --> 01:44:00,320
thinking that

2738
01:44:05,030 --> 01:44:02,719
they're either hoaxing or misidentifying

2739
01:44:07,189 --> 01:44:05,040
bears or men in camouflage suits you

2740
01:44:09,669 --> 01:44:07,199
know ghillie suits that sort of thing

2741
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:09,679
what do you say to people that just

2742
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:13,199
dismiss the entire thing with those

2743
01:44:18,629 --> 01:44:15,600
types of explanations

2744
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:18,639
well the the first thing i i say is i

2745
01:44:22,870 --> 01:44:20,560
make sure they understand that i don't

2746
01:44:25,910 --> 01:44:22,880
wholeheartedly believe in bigfoot

2747
01:44:28,470 --> 01:44:25,920
um the only thing that i believe in is i

2748
01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:28,480
believe that there's a possibility of

2749
01:44:31,030 --> 01:44:30,080
bigfoot and

2750
01:44:42,950 --> 01:44:31,040
i

2751
01:44:45,910 --> 01:44:42,960
the the

2752
01:44:47,750 --> 01:44:45,920
difficulty with getting a video or a

2753
01:44:48,390 --> 01:44:47,760
picture of them

2754
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:48,400
well

2755
01:44:52,149 --> 01:44:51,360
think about most bigfoot encounters

2756
01:44:57,030 --> 01:44:52,159
they

2757
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:57,040
maybe 10 seconds long

2758
01:45:00,950 --> 01:44:59,280
that that's not enough time if you're

2759
01:45:02,390 --> 01:45:00,960
seeing something that's just out of this

2760
01:45:05,109 --> 01:45:02,400
world weird

2761
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:05,119
for your brain to register

2762
01:45:09,669 --> 01:45:07,679
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2824
01:48:03,350 --> 01:47:59,669
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2825
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2826
01:48:07,930 --> 01:48:04,560
and now

2827
01:48:11,590 --> 01:48:07,940
here's jane steinberg

2828
01:48:16,229 --> 01:48:13,109
well i think also that's the problem

2829
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:16,239
with ufos you see a ufo and you scramble

2830
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:18,400
to find your iphone or your

2831
01:48:22,310 --> 01:48:19,600
samsung

2832
01:48:25,189 --> 01:48:22,320
and you try to capture a picture but

2833
01:48:27,430 --> 01:48:25,199
the circumstances aren't always

2834
01:48:29,109 --> 01:48:27,440
good to get a decent snapshot

2835
01:48:30,790 --> 01:48:29,119
right by the time you focus on the

2836
01:48:32,629 --> 01:48:30,800
creature it might be gone by the time

2837
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:32,639
you focus on the ufo it's just some

2838
01:48:35,430 --> 01:48:34,080
light in the sky

2839
01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:35,440
it's nothing that you could really

2840
01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:37,840
categorize as anything else

2841
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:39,920
right the optics and the lenses aren't

2842
01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:42,080
really of the kind of quality that you

2843
01:48:47,109 --> 01:48:44,800
need to be able to focus on something

2844
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:47,119
you know you got to be able to zoom uh

2845
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:48,639
effectively

2846
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:51,360
cell phones really are not that good for

2847
01:48:54,870 --> 01:48:53,760
capturing photographic evidence of

2848
01:48:57,189 --> 01:48:54,880
events

2849
01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:57,199
i think 90 of the time there's you know

2850
01:49:02,470 --> 01:48:59,840
the the perfect conditions do exist

2851
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:02,480
occasionally you'll see a fairly decent

2852
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:04,560
cell phone photographs of aerial objects

2853
01:49:08,390 --> 01:49:05,600
mostly

2854
01:49:09,350 --> 01:49:08,400
is it a shadow is it a tree stump or you

2855
01:49:11,430 --> 01:49:09,360
know

2856
01:49:13,590 --> 01:49:11,440
very rarely do people like photograph

2857
01:49:15,669 --> 01:49:13,600
the exact same thing when the creature

2858
01:49:18,470 --> 01:49:15,679
is gone they don't they don't have the

2859
01:49:19,830 --> 01:49:18,480
knowledge to to to to show the

2860
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:19,840
difference

2861
01:49:22,709 --> 01:49:20,800
with

2862
01:49:24,149 --> 01:49:22,719
the creature there and then stay in the

2863
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:24,159
same place and when it's gone take

2864
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:26,239
another picture and show that

2865
01:49:32,470 --> 01:49:28,800
that the scene is not that way all the

2866
01:49:34,229 --> 01:49:32,480
time in other words supply context um

2867
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:34,239
which is something that i constantly am

2868
01:49:38,070 --> 01:49:36,480
trying to get people to do it's like you

2869
01:49:39,669 --> 01:49:38,080
know don't just take one picture or two

2870
01:49:40,709 --> 01:49:39,679
pictures of what it is that you think is

2871
01:49:43,750 --> 01:49:40,719
weird

2872
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:43,760
take pictures afterwards you know really

2873
01:49:46,950 --> 01:49:44,560
show

2874
01:49:48,790 --> 01:49:46,960
how that there's one condition

2875
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:48,800
here in these in these shots and then

2876
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:50,719
this is this is how the the scene is

2877
01:49:55,510 --> 01:49:53,199
normally in these shots supplying

2878
01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:55,520
context is really important that's why a

2879
01:49:58,709 --> 01:49:57,040
light in the sky

2880
01:50:01,030 --> 01:49:58,719
doesn't mean anything unless you have

2881
01:50:02,629 --> 01:50:01,040
something in the foreground to

2882
01:50:04,950 --> 01:50:02,639
have to supply context you have to take

2883
01:50:06,470 --> 01:50:04,960
a picture you know after the fact so

2884
01:50:08,470 --> 01:50:06,480
that people know

2885
01:50:11,109 --> 01:50:08,480
what the scene looks like without the

2886
01:50:12,629 --> 01:50:11,119
anomaly in it and that's why photographs

2887
01:50:14,149 --> 01:50:12,639
of a light in the sky

2888
01:50:15,830 --> 01:50:14,159
don't mean anything unless you have

2889
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:15,840
something in the foreground it's it's

2890
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:17,920
it's pretty simple but people just

2891
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:20,080
aren't educated enough the average

2892
01:50:24,870 --> 01:50:21,760
person doesn't know

2893
01:50:27,830 --> 01:50:24,880
how to properly document an anomalous

2894
01:50:29,590 --> 01:50:27,840
event and supply context

2895
01:50:32,550 --> 01:50:29,600
well the other thing is also is that

2896
01:50:35,189 --> 01:50:32,560
your smartphone is really best equipped

2897
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:35,199
for a casual snapshot

2898
01:50:39,990 --> 01:50:37,360
it's not something or something you

2899
01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:40,000
prepare for i mean you see them doing tv

2900
01:50:44,709 --> 01:50:42,000
commercials with an iphone but they

2901
01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:44,719
prepared they spend time testing and

2902
01:50:48,229 --> 01:50:46,239
retesting

2903
01:50:49,350 --> 01:50:48,239
for a commercial they carefully set up

2904
01:50:51,830 --> 01:50:49,360
the shot

2905
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:51,840
they may run a number

2906
01:50:56,709 --> 01:50:54,719
of test shots before they find what they

2907
01:50:57,830 --> 01:50:56,719
want they even use them for movies but

2908
01:51:00,310 --> 01:50:57,840
once again

2909
01:51:02,390 --> 01:51:00,320
they've got to do a lot of preparation

2910
01:51:03,669 --> 01:51:02,400
they're going to have retakes

2911
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:03,679
they're going to have that sort of thing

2912
01:51:08,229 --> 01:51:05,440
it's not just going to be

2913
01:51:10,070 --> 01:51:08,239
a once in a lifetime event even if it

2914
01:51:12,870 --> 01:51:10,080
seems that way in the picture

2915
01:51:14,310 --> 01:51:12,880
but capturing something unexpected

2916
01:51:16,149 --> 01:51:14,320
is going to throw anyone off even a

2917
01:51:18,709 --> 01:51:16,159
professional photographer

2918
01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:18,719
oh yeah i completely agree now

2919
01:51:23,430 --> 01:51:20,960
concerning these skeletons

2920
01:51:25,270 --> 01:51:23,440
i get that question probably

2921
01:51:26,790 --> 01:51:25,280
more than

2922
01:51:29,510 --> 01:51:26,800
anything else

2923
01:51:31,590 --> 01:51:29,520
concerning well bigfoot

2924
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:31,600
why why don't we see this why don't we

2925
01:51:33,590 --> 01:51:32,639
see that

2926
01:51:35,270 --> 01:51:33,600
and

2927
01:51:37,430 --> 01:51:35,280
the answer i always

2928
01:51:39,510 --> 01:51:37,440
say is

2929
01:51:41,350 --> 01:51:39,520
i i was a boy scout for quite a long

2930
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:41,360
time and

2931
01:51:44,870 --> 01:51:42,560
for

2932
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:44,880
between the time i was six until the

2933
01:51:48,709 --> 01:51:47,199
time i was 12 for a solid six years i

2934
01:51:51,910 --> 01:51:48,719
was out in the woods

2935
01:51:52,870 --> 01:51:51,920
deep woods for

2936
01:51:56,470 --> 01:51:52,880
er

2937
01:51:57,350 --> 01:51:56,480
entire weekend

2938
01:52:00,310 --> 01:51:57,360
and

2939
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:00,320
in that time i only ever found two deer

2940
01:52:06,950 --> 01:52:04,000
skeletons now i live in ohio

2941
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:06,960
i see deer

2942
01:52:11,830 --> 01:52:09,199
everywhere i mean i can

2943
01:52:13,830 --> 01:52:11,840
any given time at any night i can look

2944
01:52:15,109 --> 01:52:13,840
out my window and i'll i'll probably see

2945
01:52:17,830 --> 01:52:15,119
a deer

2946
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:17,840
there's deer everywhere but i only ever

2947
01:52:21,669 --> 01:52:20,000
found two deer skeletons

2948
01:52:22,870 --> 01:52:21,679
because

2949
01:52:25,990 --> 01:52:22,880
even though

2950
01:52:28,149 --> 01:52:26,000
it does take several days for

2951
01:52:29,350 --> 01:52:28,159
decomposition of just the skin and the

2952
01:52:31,510 --> 01:52:29,360
muscles

2953
01:52:36,950 --> 01:52:31,520
it

2954
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:38,950
when you're out in the woods

2955
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:39,840
and

2956
01:52:44,950 --> 01:52:41,599
something drops dead

2957
01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:44,960
there are other factors besides just the

2958
01:52:50,390 --> 01:52:47,280
decomposition you have the scavengers

2959
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:50,400
and they will grab bones for the marrow

2960
01:52:53,990 --> 01:52:51,760
and then

2961
01:52:56,550 --> 01:52:54,000
depending on the soil or the rainfall

2962
01:52:58,310 --> 01:52:56,560
the bones will degrade faster the bronze

2963
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:58,320
the bones will scatter incredibly

2964
01:53:01,669 --> 01:52:59,360
quickly

2965
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:01,679
because animals will grab them the wind

2966
01:53:06,390 --> 01:53:03,840
will knock them over something comes by

2967
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:06,400
and and moves moves them the

2968
01:53:10,790 --> 01:53:07,840
the ground

2969
01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:10,800
shifts or whatever if it was on a hill

2970
01:53:14,149 --> 01:53:12,400
there are a lot of factors that move

2971
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:14,159
bones and even animals that are

2972
01:53:18,790 --> 01:53:16,560
everywhere all the time you

2973
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:18,800
rarely see their skeleton sometimes

2974
01:53:24,830 --> 01:53:21,199
you'll see a complete

2975
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:24,840
corpse if the animal had just died but

2976
01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:26,400
that's

2977
01:53:31,430 --> 01:53:28,800
almost as rare as the uh

2978
01:53:34,550 --> 01:53:31,440
bones themselves except for

2979
01:53:36,790 --> 01:53:34,560
animals that get eaten like

2980
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:36,800
squirrels or whatever i've i've seen

2981
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:38,320
several squirrels

2982
01:53:43,030 --> 01:53:41,280
that have been torn apart by coyotes but

2983
01:53:46,149 --> 01:53:43,040
even then it's not

2984
01:53:48,390 --> 01:53:46,159
as common so if you're talking about an

2985
01:53:50,229 --> 01:53:48,400
animal that there's probably only maybe

2986
01:53:51,790 --> 01:53:50,239
maybe in the entire

2987
01:53:54,070 --> 01:53:51,800
continent

2988
01:53:56,229 --> 01:53:54,080
2500 because that's the best estimate

2989
01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:56,239
that i've ever seen

2990
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:57,280
that

2991
01:54:00,149 --> 01:53:58,400
when you're when you're concerning

2992
01:54:03,270 --> 01:54:00,159
yourself with an animal that that that

2993
01:54:04,390 --> 01:54:03,280
it is that rare

2994
01:54:07,669 --> 01:54:04,400
then

2995
01:54:09,750 --> 01:54:07,679
you might never find bones it's

2996
01:54:13,109 --> 01:54:09,760
not impossible and if you're talking an

2997
01:54:16,229 --> 01:54:13,119
intelligent humanoid primate that

2998
01:54:17,830 --> 01:54:16,239
looking at our own past and then other

2999
01:54:19,270 --> 01:54:17,840
hominids

3000
01:54:23,669 --> 01:54:19,280
in the past

3001
01:54:26,070 --> 01:54:23,679
at the stage that from what we can

3002
01:54:27,109 --> 01:54:26,080
safely assume

3003
01:54:28,709 --> 01:54:27,119
from

3004
01:54:31,510 --> 01:54:28,719
extended

3005
01:54:33,589 --> 01:54:31,520
encounters from albert ostman who is

3006
01:54:36,390 --> 01:54:33,599
abducted by the creatures or whatnot

3007
01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:36,400
these cr these animals if they exist

3008
01:54:41,430 --> 01:54:38,960
might actually have burial rituals as

3009
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:41,440
well which would

3010
01:54:45,990 --> 01:54:44,560
make the the bodies even even harder to

3011
01:54:48,310 --> 01:54:46,000
you know what i tell people when they

3012
01:54:49,350 --> 01:54:48,320
ask me that or when they point that out

3013
01:54:51,589 --> 01:54:49,360
i say

3014
01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:51,599
when was the last time you saw a picture

3015
01:54:56,629 --> 01:54:53,920
of a skeleton of a bear

3016
01:54:58,709 --> 01:54:56,639
or a mountain lion

3017
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:58,719
or a wolverine

3018
01:55:02,870 --> 01:55:00,480
exactly extremely rare i mean these

3019
01:55:06,550 --> 01:55:02,880
animals are much more numerous i would

3020
01:55:08,070 --> 01:55:06,560
think than a bigfoot population and yet

3021
01:55:09,669 --> 01:55:08,080
you rarely

3022
01:55:10,790 --> 01:55:09,679
see

3023
01:55:13,910 --> 01:55:10,800
if ever

3024
01:55:15,669 --> 01:55:13,920
the skeleton of a top level uh you know

3025
01:55:18,229 --> 01:55:15,679
top shelf predator

3026
01:55:20,470 --> 01:55:18,239
they're just not out there so it's i

3027
01:55:22,870 --> 01:55:20,480
mean it makes sense that that we don't

3028
01:55:25,030 --> 01:55:22,880
have bigfoot uh and if they like you say

3029
01:55:27,589 --> 01:55:25,040
if they are intelligent then there may

3030
01:55:30,709 --> 01:55:27,599
be some sort of rudimentary burials um

3031
01:55:32,629 --> 01:55:30,719
or hiding um the remains of animals

3032
01:55:34,629 --> 01:55:32,639
elephants for instance don't die in

3033
01:55:37,510 --> 01:55:34,639
place very often they they tend to go

3034
01:55:40,229 --> 01:55:37,520
off to two areas elephant graveyard type

3035
01:55:41,910 --> 01:55:40,239
areas for instance um

3036
01:55:43,669 --> 01:55:41,920
when we come back though i do have some

3037
01:55:44,470 --> 01:55:43,679
other questions we gotta take a break

3038
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:44,480
here

3039
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:47,199
um we're gonna go ahead and uh and uh

3040
01:55:52,790 --> 01:55:49,280
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chris we've really had some

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schneider any more that you could dredge

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we do have a bunch um again this one is

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from eric the red and he's uh one of our

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listeners uh from

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minnesota and he's wondering

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colin if you've had have you had

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conversations with people who have

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claimed to see bigfoot themselves and if

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so could you describe some of the

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details of these encounters

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yes well one of my one of my family's

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close friends

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he's a hunter a

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very avid hunter he goes out

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pretty much every weekend hunting

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various things

3213
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and

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he

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described to me

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oh about a year ago when he found out

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that i was interested in this stuff he

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goes

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when i told him

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just off

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top of my head because he asked what we

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did the weekend before we had we were at

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a crypto conference and he goes

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okay come here i'm going to tell you

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something i've never told anyone even my

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wife

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and

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permission from him to

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give out a story just not his name

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he proceeded to tell me

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about a morning he thinks it was in 2010

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in the fall

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where

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he

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was sitting in a

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ditch

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02:03:45,910 --> 02:03:43,679
in a ghillie suit it was

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five ish in the morning the sun was

3239
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barely coming up it was it was

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gray

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that's how he described the the look of

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everything he said that he was sitting

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in the

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in his ghillie suit

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02:04:03,510 --> 02:04:00,159
and

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02:04:05,350 --> 02:04:03,520
he heard this crashing come from a bunch

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of thistles a

3248
02:04:09,510 --> 02:04:07,119
whole bunch of uh

3249
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thistle bushes that's what i was trying

3250
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to say that is a tongue twister of a

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name i have to talk to the person who

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named those bushes

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and he said that he heard this

3254
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loud terrible crashing cracking sound

3255
02:04:25,109 --> 02:04:23,280
and he turned to look

3256
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it was far enough away that he didn't

3257
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really get to see it good and the

3258
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conditions weren't very

3259
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very sustainable for a good look

3260
02:04:37,109 --> 02:04:34,560
but he said that it was

3261
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taller than he is he's about six foot so

3262
02:04:41,669 --> 02:04:39,520
he thinks it was closer to seven maybe

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02:04:44,550 --> 02:04:41,679
seven and a half feet tall

3264
02:04:47,830 --> 02:04:44,560
and he said that it was dark

3265
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it was humanoid and he said that it was

3266
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stomping as it walked that's how he

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described just this very very

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like exaggerated stomp of a walk

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he said that its arms were swinging

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along

3271
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he was kind of astonished because at

3272
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first he thought it was another hunter

3273
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and this was his property he owned the

3274
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property specifically for hunting it was

3275
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several acres

3276
02:05:15,990 --> 02:05:13,440
in

3277
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and

3278
02:05:21,430 --> 02:05:18,400
he said that the the place it came from

3279
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was essentially just this this flooded

3280
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part of the property that was

3281
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basically nothing but

3282
02:05:31,510 --> 02:05:30,400
swamp type land and thistle bushes

3283
02:05:35,109 --> 02:05:31,520
so

3284
02:05:37,109 --> 02:05:35,119
he he said even him knowing the the

3285
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ground would have had a an incredibly

3286
02:05:41,430 --> 02:05:39,440
hard time walking through it

3287
02:05:43,030 --> 02:05:41,440
and he said it was walking like it was

3288
02:05:44,229 --> 02:05:43,040
nothing but a walk to work on the

3289
02:05:46,870 --> 02:05:44,239
sidewalk

3290
02:05:49,270 --> 02:05:46,880
and he wanted to

3291
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to shout out hey you because he thought

3292
02:05:53,990 --> 02:05:51,520
like i said he thought it originally was

3293
02:05:56,310 --> 02:05:54,000
another hunter on his property but he

3294
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didn't because right around the time he

3295
02:06:01,910 --> 02:05:58,960
was about to he said that it turned

3296
02:06:05,189 --> 02:06:01,920
looked right at him and he claimed that

3297
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he was 100 positive that it saw him

3298
02:06:09,990 --> 02:06:06,880
although he was in his ghillie suit

3299
02:06:11,589 --> 02:06:10,000
camouflaged and it was still

3300
02:06:12,550 --> 02:06:11,599
dark enough that he would have been well

3301
02:06:14,390 --> 02:06:12,560
hidden

3302
02:06:15,589 --> 02:06:14,400
from a from a person

3303
02:06:18,390 --> 02:06:15,599
at the time

3304
02:06:22,550 --> 02:06:18,400
and he said that it that side stepped

3305
02:06:25,589 --> 02:06:22,560
behind a tree and for about 30 seconds

3306
02:06:27,510 --> 02:06:25,599
every couple seconds it would look out

3307
02:06:30,310 --> 02:06:27,520
of the tree just kind of like you see in

3308
02:06:33,350 --> 02:06:30,320
the movies if if like the scooby-doo

3309
02:06:34,870 --> 02:06:33,360
gang is is looking out over a corner and

3310
02:06:36,950 --> 02:06:34,880
you just see all their heads that's

3311
02:06:40,149 --> 02:06:36,960
that's what he said it was doing it was

3312
02:06:41,910 --> 02:06:40,159
leaning over be from out out from

3313
02:06:44,790 --> 02:06:41,920
out from behind the tree

3314
02:06:46,790 --> 02:06:44,800
looking at him and then putting its head

3315
02:06:50,390 --> 02:06:46,800
back behind the tree he said that it did

3316
02:06:51,510 --> 02:06:50,400
that for close to 30 seconds

3317
02:06:53,430 --> 02:06:51,520
and

3318
02:06:54,709 --> 02:06:53,440
then it just

3319
02:06:58,310 --> 02:06:54,719
turned around

3320
02:07:00,069 --> 02:06:58,320
and walked back into the the thistles

3321
02:07:02,229 --> 02:07:00,079
wow so so where where exactly did this

3322
02:07:04,629 --> 02:07:02,239
take place i i didn't catch the details

3323
02:07:05,750 --> 02:07:04,639
of the location it was a property he

3324
02:07:07,589 --> 02:07:05,760
owned

3325
02:07:11,990 --> 02:07:07,599
he doesn't own it anymore unfortunately

3326
02:07:14,870 --> 02:07:12,000
he sold it off but it's in ashland ohio

3327
02:07:19,189 --> 02:07:14,880
which on the map is

3328
02:07:19,990 --> 02:07:19,199
northeastern ohio ish area

3329
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:20,000
so

3330
02:07:23,109 --> 02:07:21,360
it was

3331
02:07:25,589 --> 02:07:23,119
the property he owned it didn't have any

3332
02:07:28,310 --> 02:07:25,599
buildings he he owned it specifically

3333
02:07:30,629 --> 02:07:28,320
for hunting it was basically just a big

3334
02:07:33,189 --> 02:07:30,639
forest with uh like a

3335
02:07:35,510 --> 02:07:33,199
weird swampy area in the middle

3336
02:07:38,069 --> 02:07:35,520
yeah that's kind of a forgotten area of

3337
02:07:40,069 --> 02:07:38,079
ohio you don't really hear much about

3338
02:07:42,149 --> 02:07:40,079
about stuff going on up there and and it

3339
02:07:44,229 --> 02:07:42,159
is fairly remote uh

3340
02:07:45,990 --> 02:07:44,239
there are areas there along the uh the

3341
02:07:47,510 --> 02:07:46,000
pennsylvania border that

3342
02:07:49,430 --> 02:07:47,520
that um are

3343
02:07:50,790 --> 02:07:49,440
you know virtually

3344
02:07:53,589 --> 02:07:50,800
you know really

3345
02:07:54,470 --> 02:07:53,599
unvisited for the most part by people

3346
02:07:56,950 --> 02:07:54,480
um

3347
02:07:58,310 --> 02:07:56,960
let's look at some of the cases that you

3348
02:07:59,750 --> 02:07:58,320
feel best

3349
02:08:01,910 --> 02:07:59,760
represent

3350
02:08:03,589 --> 02:08:01,920
uh potential evidence for the existence

3351
02:08:05,030 --> 02:08:03,599
of these creatures what are your

3352
02:08:06,310 --> 02:08:05,040
favorite cases

3353
02:08:07,669 --> 02:08:06,320
from history

3354
02:08:10,310 --> 02:08:07,679
where do you come down on the on the

3355
02:08:11,510 --> 02:08:10,320
gimlin patterson film for instance

3356
02:08:13,510 --> 02:08:11,520
well

3357
02:08:15,510 --> 02:08:13,520
honestly when i first started getting

3358
02:08:17,030 --> 02:08:15,520
into the stuff with uh monster quest and

3359
02:08:19,430 --> 02:08:17,040
whatnot

3360
02:08:22,790 --> 02:08:19,440
i had never seen it i i

3361
02:08:25,189 --> 02:08:22,800
somehow had been able to avoid

3362
02:08:26,550 --> 02:08:25,199
the patterson gimlin film episode of

3363
02:08:28,470 --> 02:08:26,560
monster quest

3364
02:08:30,470 --> 02:08:28,480
not quite sure how but it just was never

3365
02:08:31,270 --> 02:08:30,480
on when i was watching the show

3366
02:08:33,430 --> 02:08:31,280
and

3367
02:08:35,189 --> 02:08:33,440
i mentioned to a teacher i asked my

3368
02:08:36,470 --> 02:08:35,199
science teacher i think in

3369
02:08:39,189 --> 02:08:36,480
fourth grade

3370
02:08:42,229 --> 02:08:39,199
what she thought of bigfoot and she said

3371
02:08:43,830 --> 02:08:42,239
oh you mean that that crazy man in the

3372
02:08:46,870 --> 02:08:43,840
monkey suit that was

3373
02:08:49,430 --> 02:08:46,880
filmed in the 60s in uh

3374
02:08:51,750 --> 02:08:49,440
california i said i've never heard of

3375
02:08:53,350 --> 02:08:51,760
that and

3376
02:08:55,350 --> 02:08:53,360
she showed me

3377
02:08:57,990 --> 02:08:55,360
the video and i kind of stood there

3378
02:09:00,149 --> 02:08:58,000
looking at it for a second and

3379
02:09:02,229 --> 02:09:00,159
immediately my my first idea was yeah

3380
02:09:04,870 --> 02:09:02,239
this is a guy in a monkey suit because

3381
02:09:05,669 --> 02:09:04,880
my teacher is

3382
02:09:10,390 --> 02:09:05,679
right

3383
02:09:12,310 --> 02:09:10,400
it interested me because it didn't quite

3384
02:09:14,310 --> 02:09:12,320
look like a person in a monkey suit just

3385
02:09:15,270 --> 02:09:14,320
just me just watching it for the first

3386
02:09:16,550 --> 02:09:15,280
time

3387
02:09:18,310 --> 02:09:16,560
so

3388
02:09:27,830 --> 02:09:18,320
i

3389
02:09:30,550 --> 02:09:27,840
about

3390
02:09:32,470 --> 02:09:30,560
the the film and it really interested me

3391
02:09:34,470 --> 02:09:32,480
because i kind of felt like

3392
02:09:37,270 --> 02:09:34,480
wow this is

3393
02:09:38,550 --> 02:09:37,280
out of everything that that is there

3394
02:09:40,790 --> 02:09:38,560
this is

3395
02:09:43,830 --> 02:09:40,800
while it's not

3396
02:09:46,069 --> 02:09:43,840
proof and and from a skeptical look it's

3397
02:09:47,830 --> 02:09:46,079
not even really good evidence but it's

3398
02:09:48,950 --> 02:09:47,840
really convincing

3399
02:09:51,589 --> 02:09:48,960
i don't know there's just something

3400
02:09:53,109 --> 02:09:51,599
about it that that just convinced me

3401
02:09:55,430 --> 02:09:53,119
um

3402
02:09:56,870 --> 02:09:55,440
and looking at it with a a more

3403
02:10:00,550 --> 02:09:56,880
skeptical eye

3404
02:10:02,390 --> 02:10:00,560
i'm not sure if it's if it was uh hoaxed

3405
02:10:03,589 --> 02:10:02,400
or not i think i leaned more towards it

3406
02:10:04,310 --> 02:10:03,599
wasn't

3407
02:10:06,069 --> 02:10:04,320
but

3408
02:10:07,910 --> 02:10:06,079
if it even if it was

3409
02:10:10,550 --> 02:10:07,920
i can absolutely guarantee that bob

3410
02:10:11,750 --> 02:10:10,560
gimlin had nothing to do with it because

3411
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i've

3412
02:10:15,589 --> 02:10:14,000
watched a lot of interviews with him and

3413
02:10:17,510 --> 02:10:15,599
i'm going to meet him actually in a

3414
02:10:20,470 --> 02:10:17,520
couple weeks at the ohio bigfoot

3415
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conference and i feel like he's honestly

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the most believable person and the most

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genuine person that you can find we've

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and you are listening to the paracast

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02:15:17,109 --> 02:15:14,629
we have colin schneider joining us on

3528
02:15:19,350 --> 02:15:17,119
the power cast he's the crypto kid and

3529
02:15:20,229 --> 02:15:19,360
just a quick question before we get back

3530
02:15:22,629 --> 02:15:20,239
to

3531
02:15:25,109 --> 02:15:22,639
from our listeners from

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forum.powercast.com

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02:15:30,390 --> 02:15:28,320
question is what is on your agenda for

3534
02:15:32,790 --> 02:15:30,400
the rest of your life here you've got

3535
02:15:34,629 --> 02:15:32,800
this thing going now do you plan to turn

3536
02:15:36,950 --> 02:15:34,639
this into some kind of occupation what's

3537
02:15:38,470 --> 02:15:36,960
your college plan

3538
02:15:40,229 --> 02:15:38,480
that's i don't know if that's a quick

3539
02:15:41,750 --> 02:15:40,239
question it could be a long answer

3540
02:15:43,990 --> 02:15:41,760
doesn't matter i mean he just got into

3541
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high school give him a break man you

3542
02:15:48,149 --> 02:15:46,239
guys start thinking about it

3543
02:15:49,430 --> 02:15:48,159
well if at all possible i want to keep

3544
02:15:51,589 --> 02:15:49,440
doing this

3545
02:15:53,669 --> 02:15:51,599
for the rest of my life i mean

3546
02:15:55,030 --> 02:15:53,679
like i said i was walking out of the

3547
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international crypto

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cryptozoology museum

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02:16:02,229 --> 02:15:59,280
and i thought to myself this is what i

3550
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want to do for the rest of my life and

3551
02:16:05,109 --> 02:16:03,520
i

3552
02:16:06,550 --> 02:16:05,119
honestly

3553
02:16:08,149 --> 02:16:06,560
i think that

3554
02:16:12,149 --> 02:16:08,159
when i go to college i want to get a

3555
02:16:13,990 --> 02:16:12,159
degree in zoology maybe anthropology

3556
02:16:16,550 --> 02:16:14,000
uh or folklore

3557
02:16:18,790 --> 02:16:16,560
but definitely zoology and with a minor

3558
02:16:20,149 --> 02:16:18,800
and one of the others

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02:16:25,350 --> 02:16:20,159
and

3560
02:16:27,030 --> 02:16:25,360
zoologist or a zookeeper or

3561
02:16:29,189 --> 02:16:27,040
another thing that i

3562
02:16:31,109 --> 02:16:29,199
have kind of been interested in is uh

3563
02:16:33,750 --> 02:16:31,119
being a teacher

3564
02:16:37,030 --> 02:16:33,760
maybe a high school science teacher

3565
02:16:39,110 --> 02:16:37,040
specifically biology of course but uh

3566
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i don't know i mean i'm

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interested in doing a lot of things and

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but one of my focuses is making sure

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that whatever i choose to do it's

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something that i that would allow me to

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part-time non-paying job if you will

3572
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that's that's good i mean you always

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have to keep your

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future plans kind of in in mind and you

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you have to set goals

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and

3577
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set benchmarks to to obviously to

3578
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accomplish your goals i'm going to get

3579
02:17:13,509 --> 02:17:12,240
back to our other question which was uh

3580
02:17:17,270 --> 02:17:13,519
your favorite

3581
02:17:19,750 --> 02:17:17,280
um cases and um possible evidence to

3582
02:17:22,070 --> 02:17:19,760
support the existence of of

3583
02:17:23,030 --> 02:17:22,080
cryptozoological creatures one that's

3584
02:17:25,589 --> 02:17:23,040
always

3585
02:17:28,870 --> 02:17:25,599
really interested me was the november

3586
02:17:30,230 --> 02:17:28,880
1951 eric shipton expedition in the

3587
02:17:31,349 --> 02:17:30,240
himalayas

3588
02:17:33,429 --> 02:17:31,359
where

3589
02:17:35,509 --> 02:17:33,439
purportedly he photographed what i

3590
02:17:38,790 --> 02:17:35,519
consider to be one of the tr finest

3591
02:17:39,830 --> 02:17:38,800
trackways ever photographed of purported

3592
02:17:42,070 --> 02:17:39,840
yeti

3593
02:17:43,589 --> 02:17:42,080
or bigfoot tracks

3594
02:17:45,190 --> 02:17:43,599
where do you come down on that that

3595
02:17:47,190 --> 02:17:45,200
particular

3596
02:17:48,629 --> 02:17:47,200
physical evidence or visual evidence and

3597
02:17:49,990 --> 02:17:48,639
then

3598
02:17:51,429 --> 02:17:50,000
what are some of your other cases that

3599
02:17:54,150 --> 02:17:51,439
you really think

3600
02:17:56,150 --> 02:17:54,160
support the existence of these creatures

3601
02:17:58,629 --> 02:17:56,160
well i'm kind of on the fence about the

3602
02:18:00,469 --> 02:17:58,639
eric shifting case because

3603
02:18:02,629 --> 02:18:00,479
when you look at tracks in the snow in

3604
02:18:05,349 --> 02:18:02,639
general there there's a lot of stuff

3605
02:18:09,270 --> 02:18:05,359
that can affect it more so than if it's

3606
02:18:10,549 --> 02:18:09,280
in mud or even sand because if you're if

3607
02:18:12,709 --> 02:18:10,559
you consider

3608
02:18:15,589 --> 02:18:12,719
animals in snow

3609
02:18:18,230 --> 02:18:15,599
small mammals especially they don't

3610
02:18:19,990 --> 02:18:18,240
just run on the snow because some often

3611
02:18:22,629 --> 02:18:20,000
times it's too deep so what they do is

3612
02:18:24,950 --> 02:18:22,639
they make these hops

3613
02:18:26,469 --> 02:18:24,960
back and forth so they can get where

3614
02:18:28,150 --> 02:18:26,479
they're going

3615
02:18:30,950 --> 02:18:28,160
and

3616
02:18:33,030 --> 02:18:30,960
then what happens is as the day goes by

3617
02:18:35,509 --> 02:18:33,040
the snow melts slightly and then

3618
02:18:37,190 --> 02:18:35,519
overnight it freezes and it and it

3619
02:18:41,669 --> 02:18:37,200
goes back and forth and that makes this

3620
02:18:46,230 --> 02:18:44,309
it definitely the eric the eric shipped

3621
02:18:48,309 --> 02:18:46,240
in tracks definitely

3622
02:18:50,309 --> 02:18:48,319
maybe an unknown hominid

3623
02:18:52,389 --> 02:18:50,319
but in my opinion at least it's equally

3624
02:18:55,429 --> 02:18:52,399
plausible that it's just

3625
02:18:58,629 --> 02:18:55,439
an animal or even just a another human

3626
02:18:59,589 --> 02:18:58,639
being's foot footprints

3627
02:19:03,349 --> 02:18:59,599
that

3628
02:19:05,589 --> 02:19:03,359
over time had been morphed through uh

3629
02:19:06,950 --> 02:19:05,599
the sun melting the snow and then it

3630
02:19:09,669 --> 02:19:06,960
changing because that actually can

3631
02:19:11,990 --> 02:19:09,679
happen over the course of i think a day

3632
02:19:14,469 --> 02:19:12,000
day and a half maybe two

3633
02:19:15,990 --> 02:19:14,479
yeah not even at that altitude those are

3634
02:19:18,830 --> 02:19:16,000
pretty pristine though if you look at

3635
02:19:20,950 --> 02:19:18,840
them carefully there's very little

3636
02:19:23,750 --> 02:19:20,960
degradation of the actual outlines of

3637
02:19:25,830 --> 02:19:23,760
the tracks but well okay let's uh shift

3638
02:19:27,750 --> 02:19:25,840
in the side let's uh let's continue on

3639
02:19:30,309 --> 02:19:27,760
what are some of the better uh cases in

3640
02:19:31,750 --> 02:19:30,319
your your estimation

3641
02:19:33,270 --> 02:19:31,760
honestly

3642
02:19:37,750 --> 02:19:33,280
bigfoot wise

3643
02:19:42,790 --> 02:19:41,270
my my uh my favorite case concerning

3644
02:19:46,389 --> 02:19:42,800
bigfoot evidence

3645
02:19:50,309 --> 02:19:46,399
has to be the uh foot tracks

3646
02:19:53,270 --> 02:19:50,319
in uh bosburg washington yeah good good

3647
02:19:56,630 --> 02:19:55,750
and it's not just because

3648
02:19:57,830 --> 02:19:56,640
they

3649
02:20:00,309 --> 02:19:57,840
showed

3650
02:20:02,790 --> 02:20:00,319
a foot injury that's actually consistent

3651
02:20:05,429 --> 02:20:02,800
with what jeff meldrum specifically

3652
02:20:07,190 --> 02:20:05,439
uh thinks that the bone structure and

3653
02:20:09,590 --> 02:20:07,200
the anatomy of the foot looks like

3654
02:20:11,590 --> 02:20:09,600
according to his study of the tracks but

3655
02:20:14,830 --> 02:20:11,600
also just because i

3656
02:20:18,950 --> 02:20:14,840
am interested in anatomy in general

3657
02:20:21,670 --> 02:20:18,960
and if bigfoot is real and if he is pro

3658
02:20:24,309 --> 02:20:21,680
if it is proven to be real

3659
02:20:31,510 --> 02:20:24,319
those will be

3660
02:20:35,510 --> 02:20:34,710
an anatomical anatomical

3661
02:20:39,349 --> 02:20:35,520
and

3662
02:20:40,790 --> 02:20:39,359
uh anomalies ever it's just it's such an

3663
02:20:45,349 --> 02:20:40,800
interesting

3664
02:20:46,230 --> 02:20:45,359
looking track

3665
02:20:48,469 --> 02:20:46,240
that

3666
02:20:49,750 --> 02:20:48,479
i don't know it's it's personally my my

3667
02:20:51,670 --> 02:20:49,760
favorite

3668
02:20:53,910 --> 02:20:51,680
piece of bigfoot evidence

3669
02:20:55,990 --> 02:20:53,920
now concerning

3670
02:20:58,710 --> 02:20:56,000
some other cryptids uh the loch ness

3671
02:21:00,950 --> 02:20:58,720
monster there was a sighting in the 30s

3672
02:21:01,830 --> 02:21:00,960
i think it was 1935

3673
02:21:04,150 --> 02:21:01,840
where

3674
02:21:05,590 --> 02:21:04,160
there's this motorcyclist not the one

3675
02:21:07,670 --> 02:21:05,600
that everyone knows this is a

3676
02:21:11,110 --> 02:21:07,680
lesser-known one there's another

3677
02:21:13,110 --> 02:21:11,120
motorcyclist driving on a road by loch

3678
02:21:16,230 --> 02:21:13,120
ness and

3679
02:21:17,030 --> 02:21:16,240
who he he said that as he was driving he

3680
02:21:18,630 --> 02:21:17,040
saw

3681
02:21:23,190 --> 02:21:18,640
this

3682
02:21:27,190 --> 02:21:23,200
large camel-like creature covered in

3683
02:21:30,309 --> 02:21:27,200
gray hair that was patchy and he said

3684
02:21:33,670 --> 02:21:30,319
that its skin looked like a seals

3685
02:21:35,270 --> 02:21:33,680
and it had a giraffe-like neck

3686
02:21:38,070 --> 02:21:35,280
and a

3687
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:38,080
dog-like face

3688
02:21:40,710 --> 02:21:39,439
and

3689
02:21:42,150 --> 02:21:40,720
it's

3690
02:21:44,070 --> 02:21:42,160
that's been associated with the loch

3691
02:21:46,309 --> 02:21:44,080
ness monster ever since

3692
02:21:49,110 --> 02:21:46,319
i'm not sure how i how

3693
02:21:51,270 --> 02:21:49,120
how realistic that sighting was

3694
02:21:54,070 --> 02:21:51,280
but i think that the description is just

3695
02:21:55,590 --> 02:21:54,080
so weird and so entertaining that it's i

3696
02:21:57,030 --> 02:21:55,600
don't know that's always the one one of

3697
02:21:59,590 --> 02:21:57,040
the ones that i think of when i think of

3698
02:22:00,950 --> 02:21:59,600
the loch ness monster

3699
02:22:02,070 --> 02:22:00,960
now

3700
02:22:03,990 --> 02:22:02,080
as for

3701
02:22:05,910 --> 02:22:04,000
the cryptid in general that i think is

3702
02:22:07,990 --> 02:22:05,920
most interesting

3703
02:22:09,510 --> 02:22:08,000
i think that the chupacabra definitely

3704
02:22:11,750 --> 02:22:09,520
is

3705
02:22:14,469 --> 02:22:11,760
partially because

3706
02:22:16,469 --> 02:22:14,479
the name chupacabra has actually been

3707
02:22:18,870 --> 02:22:16,479
used for at least

3708
02:22:20,830 --> 02:22:18,880
three different cryptids if not four or

3709
02:22:23,270 --> 02:22:20,840
five

3710
02:22:26,309 --> 02:22:23,280
and there's such a variety in the

3711
02:22:29,429 --> 02:22:26,319
reports and they're just so interesting

3712
02:22:30,870 --> 02:22:29,439
and just overall weird that i don't know

3713
02:22:33,590 --> 02:22:30,880
i'm just definitely interested and i've

3714
02:22:36,150 --> 02:22:33,600
done a lot of research looking at

3715
02:22:37,510 --> 02:22:36,160
the chupacabra

3716
02:22:40,790 --> 02:22:37,520
and

3717
02:22:43,830 --> 02:22:40,800
i've actually found that

3718
02:22:45,750 --> 02:22:43,840
there are chupacabra-like attacks

3719
02:22:49,910 --> 02:22:45,760
reported around the country

3720
02:22:52,710 --> 02:22:49,920
before 1995 when the chupacabra was

3721
02:22:54,469 --> 02:22:52,720
described first

3722
02:22:55,510 --> 02:22:54,479
um

3723
02:22:57,670 --> 02:22:55,520
that

3724
02:23:00,389 --> 02:22:57,680
there were these attacks done on

3725
02:23:02,070 --> 02:23:00,399
livestock but were associated with other

3726
02:23:04,389 --> 02:23:02,080
cryptids

3727
02:23:06,230 --> 02:23:04,399
for example in

3728
02:23:09,349 --> 02:23:06,240
the 70s

3729
02:23:10,950 --> 02:23:09,359
in oklahoma there was

3730
02:23:13,270 --> 02:23:10,960
a farmer

3731
02:23:14,870 --> 02:23:13,280
who reported his

3732
02:23:16,070 --> 02:23:14,880
chickens

3733
02:23:18,230 --> 02:23:16,080
screeching

3734
02:23:21,429 --> 02:23:18,240
making making sounds like they were in

3735
02:23:24,309 --> 02:23:21,439
pain in the middle of the night

3736
02:23:25,110 --> 02:23:24,319
he goes out see what's going on he finds

3737
02:23:29,110 --> 02:23:25,120
the

3738
02:23:31,429 --> 02:23:29,120
hinges

3739
02:23:33,510 --> 02:23:31,439
he didn't find any chickens in the coop

3740
02:23:36,630 --> 02:23:33,520
but he found blood

3741
02:23:39,349 --> 02:23:36,640
and feathers everywhere

3742
02:23:42,070 --> 02:23:39,359
and he found handprints and footprints

3743
02:23:47,190 --> 02:23:44,950
the on the ground in the blood and when

3744
02:23:50,469 --> 02:23:47,200
he took pictures of them and sent them

3745
02:23:52,469 --> 02:23:50,479
to a zoologist the zoologist said well

3746
02:23:54,469 --> 02:23:52,479
this looks like a cross between a

3747
02:23:55,910 --> 02:23:54,479
gorilla and a human where did you get

3748
02:23:56,630 --> 02:23:55,920
this

3749
02:23:57,670 --> 02:23:56,640
and

3750
02:24:01,110 --> 02:23:57,680
the reason i associate with the

3751
02:24:02,469 --> 02:24:01,120
chupacabra is because there

3752
02:24:03,830 --> 02:24:02,479
have been

3753
02:24:06,150 --> 02:24:03,840
i know we're running out of time for

3754
02:24:09,270 --> 02:24:06,160
this segment but next segment

3755
02:24:10,790 --> 02:24:09,280
um i'd like to mention that there's

3756
02:24:13,429 --> 02:24:10,800
actually a long

3757
02:24:15,990 --> 02:24:13,439
history of bigfoot being associated with

3758
02:24:18,550 --> 02:24:16,000
the draining of blood with animals and

3759
02:24:21,030 --> 02:24:18,560
uh bigfoot like creatures maybe bigfoot

3760
02:24:22,710 --> 02:24:21,040
is really a race of vampires we've got

3761
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more to come with

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here

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and gene and chris you're in you're

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[Music]

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this is jacques valley you're listening

3873
02:29:14,070 --> 02:29:00,319
to the paracast

3874
02:29:18,469 --> 02:29:15,990
i thought after i mentioned bigfoot

3875
02:29:20,469 --> 02:29:18,479
possibly being a race a vampire since

3876
02:29:23,110 --> 02:29:20,479
they're so involved with blood the chris

3877
02:29:25,030 --> 02:29:23,120
would give us a proper bella lugosi

3878
02:29:27,429 --> 02:29:25,040
imitation but i'm not going to ask for

3879
02:29:30,309 --> 02:29:27,439
that colin go ahead please

3880
02:29:32,309 --> 02:29:30,319
so other than the oklahoma case there

3881
02:29:34,389 --> 02:29:32,319
was one that lauren coleman actually

3882
02:29:36,550 --> 02:29:34,399
wrote about in his book creatures of the

3883
02:29:37,750 --> 02:29:36,560
outer edge and

3884
02:29:42,550 --> 02:29:37,760
he

3885
02:29:47,349 --> 02:29:42,560
in

3886
02:29:48,830 --> 02:29:47,359
where this family

3887
02:29:51,030 --> 02:29:48,840
also farmers

3888
02:29:53,270 --> 02:29:51,040
here a

3889
02:29:55,750 --> 02:29:53,280
just like the oklahoma attack they hear

3890
02:29:56,870 --> 02:29:55,760
this this screeching for coming from the

3891
02:29:58,950 --> 02:29:56,880
chicken coop

3892
02:30:01,349 --> 02:29:58,960
they go out to see what was the matter

3893
02:30:03,270 --> 02:30:01,359
so the farmer and his cousin

3894
02:30:05,830 --> 02:30:03,280
go out to see what was the matter

3895
02:30:08,389 --> 02:30:05,840
and lo and behold they find

3896
02:30:09,429 --> 02:30:08,399
the chicken coop's door ripped off lying

3897
02:30:12,870 --> 02:30:09,439
on the ground

3898
02:30:16,710 --> 02:30:12,880
and in the doorway which was about eight

3899
02:30:18,389 --> 02:30:16,720
feet tall and five feet wide they

3900
02:30:21,190 --> 02:30:18,399
describe this

3901
02:30:23,270 --> 02:30:21,200
giant hairy man-like creature they

3902
02:30:25,429 --> 02:30:23,280
didn't get a good look at him but they

3903
02:30:27,270 --> 02:30:25,439
said that it was standing in the doorway

3904
02:30:30,150 --> 02:30:27,280
and it blocked out all of the light

3905
02:30:33,349 --> 02:30:30,160
coming from coming out of the doorway

3906
02:30:35,990 --> 02:30:33,359
and they said that they shot at it

3907
02:30:38,630 --> 02:30:36,000
and it ran into a cornfield that was

3908
02:30:40,150 --> 02:30:38,640
right next to the chicken coop and

3909
02:30:42,630 --> 02:30:40,160
disappeared

3910
02:30:44,710 --> 02:30:42,640
they were sure they hid it

3911
02:30:47,270 --> 02:30:44,720
but nothing happened and when they went

3912
02:30:49,270 --> 02:30:47,280
to investigate most of their chickens

3913
02:30:51,030 --> 02:30:49,280
had been killed

3914
02:30:53,190 --> 02:30:51,040
several of them this is illinois in the

3915
02:30:54,710 --> 02:30:53,200
70s correct yes

3916
02:30:56,550 --> 02:30:54,720
if i'm remembering correctly it's

3917
02:30:57,750 --> 02:30:56,560
illinois and

3918
02:31:00,950 --> 02:30:57,760
after the

3919
02:31:03,910 --> 02:31:00,960
their first encounter the farmer and his

3920
02:31:04,950 --> 02:31:03,920
family contact the local law enforcement

3921
02:31:06,870 --> 02:31:04,960
and

3922
02:31:08,389 --> 02:31:06,880
once the law enforcement gets there

3923
02:31:11,349 --> 02:31:08,399
they're discussing what was going on

3924
02:31:12,630 --> 02:31:11,359
they have no idea and they hear a sound

3925
02:31:17,910 --> 02:31:12,640
come from

3926
02:31:18,950 --> 02:31:17,920
the road so the officer hops in his

3927
02:31:21,670 --> 02:31:18,960
car

3928
02:31:24,309 --> 02:31:21,680
and the farmer and his nephew

3929
02:31:25,429 --> 02:31:24,319
are walking behind it as the officer is

3930
02:31:27,030 --> 02:31:25,439
driving

3931
02:31:28,790 --> 02:31:27,040
down the road slowly so they can check

3932
02:31:30,550 --> 02:31:28,800
out what's going on

3933
02:31:33,830 --> 02:31:30,560
and the nephew

3934
02:31:35,590 --> 02:31:33,840
claim that he sees something out of the

3935
02:31:38,469 --> 02:31:35,600
the corner of his eye

3936
02:31:41,110 --> 02:31:38,479
where the ditch is along the side of the

3937
02:31:43,990 --> 02:31:41,120
road he turns and he sees the same

3938
02:31:46,469 --> 02:31:44,000
creature rise up from the ditch and run

3939
02:31:48,550 --> 02:31:46,479
back towards the chicken coop so they

3940
02:31:50,469 --> 02:31:48,560
grab the officer the officer hops out of

3941
02:31:51,990 --> 02:31:50,479
the car they run towards what's going on

3942
02:31:54,630 --> 02:31:52,000
they grab their guns

3943
02:31:56,630 --> 02:31:54,640
and they didn't see the creature

3944
02:31:57,510 --> 02:31:56,640
but the rest of the chickens had been

3945
02:31:59,429 --> 02:31:57,520
killed

3946
02:32:01,190 --> 02:31:59,439
and there were only a handful left

3947
02:32:04,710 --> 02:32:01,200
but the rest of them had been killed in

3948
02:32:06,950 --> 02:32:04,720
the same manner as previously and i

3949
02:32:10,150 --> 02:32:06,960
found numerous reports that are very

3950
02:32:11,670 --> 02:32:10,160
similar not just with chickens but goats

3951
02:32:12,710 --> 02:32:11,680
uh cattle

3952
02:32:14,710 --> 02:32:12,720
actually

3953
02:32:17,110 --> 02:32:14,720
in brazil

3954
02:32:20,550 --> 02:32:17,120
the type of hairy humanoid seen in

3955
02:32:23,429 --> 02:32:20,560
brazil the yeti and the yowie have all

3956
02:32:24,710 --> 02:32:23,439
been reported killing cattle

3957
02:32:27,190 --> 02:32:24,720
by

3958
02:32:29,110 --> 02:32:27,200
twisting their horns off well in the

3959
02:32:31,990 --> 02:32:29,120
himalayas i think it's yaks that are

3960
02:32:33,750 --> 02:32:32,000
attacking yak as well but the type of

3961
02:32:36,070 --> 02:32:33,760
beasts of food

3962
02:32:38,070 --> 02:32:36,080
and they they're reported twisting their

3963
02:32:40,550 --> 02:32:38,080
horns off and then ripping out their

3964
02:32:42,630 --> 02:32:40,560
tongues and drinking the blood

3965
02:32:44,150 --> 02:32:42,640
that flowed out of the wounds that they

3966
02:32:46,309 --> 02:32:44,160
made

3967
02:32:48,389 --> 02:32:46,319
so those accounts are specifically from

3968
02:32:51,030 --> 02:32:48,399
the folklore but there are some modern

3969
02:32:53,190 --> 02:32:51,040
reports of that happening especially

3970
02:32:54,790 --> 02:32:53,200
concerning the yeti

3971
02:32:56,070 --> 02:32:54,800
and the yowie

3972
02:32:58,230 --> 02:32:56,080
so i

3973
02:33:00,790 --> 02:32:58,240
have kind of made this this

3974
02:33:03,270 --> 02:33:00,800
weird little suggestion that

3975
02:33:05,750 --> 02:33:03,280
the chupacabra since it's already used

3976
02:33:08,630 --> 02:33:05,760
for a variety of creatures the the the

3977
02:33:10,950 --> 02:33:08,640
gargoyle yellow spine-backed creature

3978
02:33:13,670 --> 02:33:10,960
seen in puerto rico or the giant bat

3979
02:33:16,150 --> 02:33:13,680
also seen in puerto rico or the the

3980
02:33:18,630 --> 02:33:16,160
weird canine thing that actually isn't a

3981
02:33:21,510 --> 02:33:18,640
chupacabra from texas

3982
02:33:23,670 --> 02:33:21,520
that has been named at chupacabra

3983
02:33:25,910 --> 02:33:23,680
since it's already used for several

3984
02:33:27,590 --> 02:33:25,920
cryptids i've been suggesting for quite

3985
02:33:31,429 --> 02:33:27,600
a while that

3986
02:33:33,830 --> 02:33:31,439
why don't we use it as a catch-all term

3987
02:33:36,309 --> 02:33:33,840
for any creature that appears to be

3988
02:33:38,630 --> 02:33:36,319
draining the blood of animals because

3989
02:33:42,150 --> 02:33:38,640
the mothman was reported doing it in the

3990
02:33:43,429 --> 02:33:42,160
60s during the initial spur of sightings

3991
02:33:45,190 --> 02:33:43,439
i found

3992
02:33:48,710 --> 02:33:45,200
historical accounts supposedly of the

3993
02:33:51,590 --> 02:33:48,720
jersey devil doing that there have been

3994
02:33:54,790 --> 02:33:51,600
stories of actually uh certain types of

3995
02:33:56,710 --> 02:33:54,800
lake monsters emerging from lakes

3996
02:33:59,110 --> 02:33:56,720
dragging animals down and later the

3997
02:34:02,710 --> 02:33:59,120
corpse was found with a bite to the

3998
02:34:04,389 --> 02:34:02,720
jugular there are dogs and uh anomalous

3999
02:34:06,230 --> 02:34:04,399
big cats all around the world are

4000
02:34:08,389 --> 02:34:06,240
reported to do that all the time charles

4001
02:34:12,230 --> 02:34:08,399
ford wrote about that extensively

4002
02:34:14,630 --> 02:34:12,240
there's a huge amount of

4003
02:34:17,510 --> 02:34:14,640
research just waiting to be looked at

4004
02:34:19,750 --> 02:34:17,520
about these these reports and no one's

4005
02:34:22,630 --> 02:34:19,760
done it people have maybe mentioned one

4006
02:34:24,870 --> 02:34:22,640
or two connections just under the whole

4007
02:34:27,190 --> 02:34:24,880
topic of cattle mutilations

4008
02:34:30,070 --> 02:34:27,200
but no one's zoomed in and focused on

4009
02:34:32,070 --> 02:34:30,080
that specifically and i'm currently

4010
02:34:34,550 --> 02:34:32,080
working on a series of articles and a

4011
02:34:37,030 --> 02:34:34,560
book about that very topic

4012
02:34:38,950 --> 02:34:37,040
well i can't wait to see that

4013
02:34:40,630 --> 02:34:38,960
being that um i would say that i'm

4014
02:34:42,070 --> 02:34:40,640
arguably one of the most knowledgeable

4015
02:34:43,110 --> 02:34:42,080
people

4016
02:34:45,429 --> 02:34:43,120
about

4017
02:34:47,910 --> 02:34:45,439
unexplained animal deaths

4018
02:34:49,670 --> 02:34:47,920
so i i'd really i'd be very interested

4019
02:34:51,190 --> 02:34:49,680
in seeing those articles i

4020
02:34:53,510 --> 02:34:51,200
i'm very interested also to find out

4021
02:34:56,309 --> 02:34:53,520
more about this illinois case in similar

4022
02:34:58,790 --> 02:34:56,319
cases i'd like if you could forward me

4023
02:35:01,110 --> 02:34:58,800
more specific date and time and location

4024
02:35:04,630 --> 02:35:01,120
information so that i can look at my

4025
02:35:06,870 --> 02:35:04,640
database and see how if and how it

4026
02:35:09,510 --> 02:35:06,880
dovetails with other cases in the area

4027
02:35:11,830 --> 02:35:09,520
because i do have an extensive probably

4028
02:35:13,990 --> 02:35:11,840
the most extensive database on

4029
02:35:15,510 --> 02:35:14,000
unexplained animal desks uh

4030
02:35:17,510 --> 02:35:15,520
well when you see stock in the herd

4031
02:35:19,510 --> 02:35:17,520
you'll you'll understand

4032
02:35:21,750 --> 02:35:19,520
yeah certainly i'd be more than happy to

4033
02:35:24,630 --> 02:35:21,760
i'm one of those researchers that

4034
02:35:26,469 --> 02:35:24,640
as long as it's not like an open case

4035
02:35:29,670 --> 02:35:26,479
that i'm i'm researching and the

4036
02:35:32,469 --> 02:35:29,680
confidentiality is a is a uh an issue

4037
02:35:34,870 --> 02:35:32,479
i'm more than happy to send out anything

4038
02:35:37,590 --> 02:35:34,880
even articles that i've had published in

4039
02:35:40,710 --> 02:35:37,600
magazines i'll send you a word doc or

4040
02:35:43,030 --> 02:35:40,720
whatever just ask or tell me where to go

4041
02:35:44,630 --> 02:35:43,040
to read your stuff uh yeah yeah yeah

4042
02:35:46,870 --> 02:35:44,640
i've perused your site but i haven't

4043
02:35:48,070 --> 02:35:46,880
seen any articles about this particular

4044
02:35:49,670 --> 02:35:48,080
phenomenon

4045
02:35:51,510 --> 02:35:49,680
yeah well i was trying to get an article

4046
02:35:53,110 --> 02:35:51,520
about this published in fate so i took

4047
02:35:55,830 --> 02:35:53,120
it all down because

4048
02:35:59,510 --> 02:35:55,840
um i didn't want them uh thinking that i

4049
02:36:01,670 --> 02:35:59,520
was using the same text for the articles

4050
02:36:05,349 --> 02:36:01,680
we are both friends of the publisher of

4051
02:36:06,710 --> 02:36:05,359
fate so we'll be happy to step in there

4052
02:36:08,870 --> 02:36:06,720
oh i appreciate it they actually

4053
02:36:10,630 --> 02:36:08,880
accepted my article i'm pretty excited

4054
02:36:13,070 --> 02:36:10,640
oh that's excellent

4055
02:36:15,110 --> 02:36:13,080
you see you made a good start there

4056
02:36:16,790 --> 02:36:15,120
congratulations.com we're really

4057
02:36:19,270 --> 02:36:16,800
really glad that you agreed to be on the

4058
02:36:22,309 --> 02:36:19,280
show we really we really support and

4059
02:36:24,550 --> 02:36:22,319
welcome your involvement in this field

4060
02:36:26,309 --> 02:36:24,560
anything we can do to help just let us

4061
02:36:28,870 --> 02:36:26,319
know i've sent you my contact

4062
02:36:30,870 --> 02:36:28,880
information i'd love to be one of those

4063
02:36:32,070 --> 02:36:30,880
mentors that can help you out in any way

4064
02:36:33,910 --> 02:36:32,080
that i can

4065
02:36:35,510 --> 02:36:33,920
we really support you and other young

4066
02:36:37,510 --> 02:36:35,520
people out there

4067
02:36:40,469 --> 02:36:37,520
that are interested in these subjects uh

4068
02:36:42,710 --> 02:36:40,479
we need your you guys to get involved

4069
02:36:45,590 --> 02:36:42,720
don't let you know the scary great

4070
02:36:48,070 --> 02:36:45,600
bearded you know curmudgeons uh scare

4071
02:36:50,389 --> 02:36:48,080
you off uh we need your involvement we

4072
02:36:52,550 --> 02:36:50,399
need your input and we appreciate your

4073
02:36:53,750 --> 02:36:52,560
your fresh perspective into these these

4074
02:36:56,230 --> 02:36:53,760
wonderful mysteries that we're all

4075
02:36:58,469 --> 02:36:56,240
interested in oh yeah i think that you

4076
02:37:00,230 --> 02:36:58,479
guys being involved and

4077
02:37:02,309 --> 02:37:00,240
having this this friendship and

4078
02:37:05,030 --> 02:37:02,319
mentorship with the people that we

4079
02:37:07,429 --> 02:37:05,040
honestly look up to all the time is

4080
02:37:08,710 --> 02:37:07,439
incredibly important with everything

4081
02:37:10,870 --> 02:37:08,720
that we're doing and everything we're

4082
02:37:12,710 --> 02:37:10,880
working on so amen

4083
02:37:14,630 --> 02:37:12,720
hey colin we're about out of time would

4084
02:37:15,990 --> 02:37:14,640
you tell our listeners about your site

4085
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if they want to learn more about what

4086
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4087
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oh yeah definitely so i have a radio

4088
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4089
02:37:27,830 --> 02:37:25,200
every monday at 8pm eastern standard

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4091
02:37:35,030 --> 02:37:30,479
wcjvradio.com

4092
02:37:39,429 --> 02:37:37,510
i also have a blog uh and you can find

4093
02:37:40,870 --> 02:37:39,439
that at paranorm

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